Those who recently subscribed to the Abbeyweb, after being invited to do so last week, are now finding their access limited or removed. This, in addition to the sequestering of the Abbeyweb archives, gives Deb what she wants - a modicum of control over the ability of unwashed billions to view her past and present comments.
At this rate, soon only "true" AbbeyWeb members will be left at AbbeyWeb.
The only question is whether the end result will be a recovering community, or a locked box that only Deb inhabits, with the current traffic and activity of SWP--
Which, come to think about it, is where her meatspace avatar also appears to be headed.
I wonder if some concerned citizens should alert Hostage Rescue to the current Deb standoff.
I don't expect the Helsinki Syndrome - that's Helsinki, Sweden - is all that likely in this case.
posted by Cthulhu @ 4:50 PM
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74 Comments:
First!
Or not, as the case may be.
Barkeep! another round for the Gerbils!
What makes you guys think Deb is still there? What idiots wouldn't put out all the trash at once?
Possible Deb sighting (as "Soquepuppet") at Nedra Lives(?).
Er, Helsinki is more in Finland, I think you'll find.....
testing new uniform...:)
what idiots wouldn't put out all the trash at once?
Cowardly idiots?
Like-minded idiots?
Ambivalent idiots?
Mainly, I see the lack of her ranting somewhere else as evidence that she thinks she still has a safe forum there. Once she's booted from there, if it happens, she will go bananas...and do it publicly.
infidel,
The "helsinki sweden" line is from Die Hard, uttered on live TV by a dumb news anchor who is quickly corrected.
The actual syndrome is of course Stockholm. I was just going for teh funny.
Hi there,
I've been reading this blog for a while, and want to ask waht will be a clarifying question for me.
I see that Deb's blog - SouthWestPaw - appears to be static - no updates.
So, does this mean she's flown to other places to start fights and comment on the fights she starts?
Thanks in advance for answers.
Patrick
--
Thanks ducky~~
I'll check. :)
...and thanks to brenda, too :)
Otta~~
Golly, if I didn't know bettah,
I'd say 'soquepuppet' wuz her...
did you spot the blog (in French, no less?) ;)
Yoda (from previous thread) -
Very interesting points; I must fill in that particular gap in my French history.
(One of the many reasons I love the intertubes is the phenomenal access to information 24/7. When I was about ten years-old, I used to think it would be way cool if every home had a terminal which could access the entire contents Library of Congress any time. The 'tubes are much better than that.)
The Root Beer drinkers and Teh Deb would not be silent now if they controlled the Guillotine.
Agreed. And I can hazard a wild guess as to where gerbils would likely fit into that scenario.
Considering the largely anarchic nature of the internet, I find the reaction of Beau-types quite curious. I guess that's because they're not in-control.
(As they should be, given they're so clearly our intellectual and social betters.)
[Stifles burst of maniacal chortling]
Is that right out of Dickens or what?
True...or Vietnam-era posters.
And I think Dickens actually had a social conscience; Beau merely affects one.
Thanks very much, Otta~~
BTW~~"soquepuppet" just agreed to
a Turing test[!]
Patrick,
You've hit the nail on the head about Deb. Hopefully Sulla, Hosedragger, BrendaK and many others can answer better than I cuz my typing speed is horribly slow. It would take me weeks to tap out what they can say in a few minutes.
Tim:
I can't believe she still doesn't understand what a Turing test does!
patrick,
the last confirmed Deb sighting was on a site called AbbeyWeb (named after Edward Abbey, who she quotes at the top of her site at SWP).
She also comments occasionally at the decision management listserv (sjdm.org).
Her own site has been very quiet, but she was quite vocal last weekend, taking what had been a public list with an open joining policy and years of freely available archives at Abbeyweb, and lobbied for (1) a subscriber only list, (2) a purge of recent subscribers, (3) the locking down of the list archives - not just preventing access, but limiting archiving and caching options (google and archive.com).
These are the actions of someone deliberately creating a sanctuary where they can speak freely with no (they hope) repurcussions.
Patrick:
She's flown to her other listserv sites. No blog commenting that we've been able to verify. Except for the soquepuppet thing today. One of the listserv's has just shut down new subscribers because of our scrutiny of Ms. Frisch, but she was still posting there as of this morning.
Yoda:
Using a broad brushstroke it is. Perhaps a smaller brush, you must choose. Heh.
Joe~~
She just answered my first
question:
"Tim,
Phuque the turing test. If "u~hu" isint good enuff 4 u, i don't give a phoque votchu tink.
Kapish?"
Tim:
There she is! Aww. It's nice to visit with old friends.
Otta~
I wondered that, too.
I'm getting the feeling I'm
not cut out for Intel Minister.
All day, my answers have been
eitehr wrong or "I don't know"
:(
In case anyone is interested/paranoid, the timestamp on the comment by "hobart" jibes with a recent visit from you jean orreygone with a familiar IP.
Just sayin'
Joe~~
I've never had a 1-on-1 with
teh deb™ before...
It's confirmed: It's Frischmas,
kids~!
teh!!™
Gaaaah!
A captive audience for teh Frisch?
I imagine a conference room at a down at the heels hotel in a 2nd or 3rd rank city...a feltboard outside the door with plastic letters spelling out:
"Welcome Edward Abbey Fans"
outside the front door.
The unsuspecting mice sign in and patch on their name tags, and saunter on in to the cold cuts and "box wines" buffet.
When all the prey are in the trap, the Frisch marches in, the doors slam shut with a "BOOM", the sound of the lock bolts slamming home crack in the dead silence.
Frisch stands, glares around, and zeroes in on any male who looks like a heterosexual Jewish economist with conservative politics....
The first victim in the AbbeyWeb Bloodbath.
God, it gives me the "heebie-jeebies".
Regards;
testing tim's uniform
Good evening folks
Hi Sven!
How's the Root Beer Stand treating you?
tim:
"I'm getting the feeling I'm
not cut out for Intel Minister.
All day, my answers have been
eitehr wrong or "I don't know""
Some guy's on the line from the CIA at Langley...asks if you're interested in the Director's job.
Regards;
Hey ya'll.
Trying to catch up on teh threads.
Congrats to to Hosedragger as Head Troll Repeller.
Congrats to Tim as Head Info Ferret.
Ottava, you made me laugh out loud, loudly suggesting Nedra for IT help!
Brendak, your nomination of me had me saying " WTF?" AND laughing.
What the hell? Ive been purged from AW? I didnt even get a dinner out of the deal, no flowers, not even an email. I just thought things were slow in the woods today.
Would that be Hobart DieAssenHatten?
Or Hbart? That's Deb without the "O" - get it? Deb doesn't, at least not without batteries.
That's funny, Deb! I'll even let you use it in your stand-up routine at the prison talent show.
Hi Mr. Schmo-I thought I was making progress at AW-slowly. I was polite. Ive been there before. I could have made a difference, sniff, if only they would have let me.
Tim -
I dunno know what the problem is. I'm going to email you a different url for the image you can try.
It might be protected, though, so who knows.
And blogger is spitting up again!
Brenda -
It's not blogger, it's Bill the Cat - he's got hairballs again.
Otta & Ducky~~
Thanks for the vote of
confidence. I'll try to
serve worthily :)
Brenda~~
It seems great now...thanks,
again~~I'm a new man!
proud-to-serve teh!™
Sven:
Ah well. Edward Abbey's spirit was a bit of a loner, so maybe this is just a course correction, instead of a political purge. I can hope, right?
BrendaK:
"And blogger is spitting up again! "
Oh good...I was thinking I'd have to go shovel some more coal into the boilers...
...HATE when that happens!
Regards;
The secret tingly little pleasure for years behing the scenes at AW was that what was being discussed was so radical, so threatening, that the list entity was certain it was being monitored by the govt.
Periodically, one member or another would toss a defiant post at the hidden watchers. Cautions would be issued to the members.
But this is a first.
teh deb left a comment on my
blog, too~~
te-he-he-he
teh-teh-teh!™
Sven;
Howdy. Hey, you should tell us about yourself.
Against my better judgement, I'm kinda intrigued about what kind of male would get a middle=aged, overweight lesbian's "juices flowing"
That WAS you she was a-moonin' over in the Abbey Web, yes?
***BARF BAG ALERT...BARF BAG ALERT***
Regards;
sven -
You betcha, the gov't is always VERY CONCERNED with people who like poetry and live in shacks in the woods.
I dont know Joe, ack indeed. Their worse fears confirmed-not the govt, but that vast right-wing conspiracy. Invading their space.
So much for open debate.
Yoda -
Sorry...with all that's gone on the last several minutes, I'm a little lost re your last query.
(Or it could be my first "senior moment". YAY!)
Sven~~
Good to finally meet you.
Yoda~~
What's that? Are you in?
Sven;
"The secret tingly little pleasure for years behing the scenes at AW was that what was being discussed was so radical, so threatening, that the list entity was certain it was being monitored by the govt."
Are you serious?
I cut my teeth on the militia and gun-rights Usenet boards, where most of the behind-the-scenes fun was figuring out who was Eff Bee Aye and who was a neo-Nazi, and which neo-Nazi was actually a meatspace nice Jewish kid doing his B'nai B'rith ADL/ JDL "thing" from some student union somewhere.
Ahhh, but the long winter evenings would fly right by...
Regards;
Tim:
what tim r u, den?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Ducky~~
LOLs...
Dawg, I still can't believe,
after all this time...we can
always 'trust teh cycle'®
Yes, Bilgeman, she did, I think moon over me-but that wasnt really me. That was the other me, hard to keep track.
Need I remind anyone that it's Frishmas eve?
She's doing some "defamatin'" all over the innertubes.
Good evening, hobart, Infidel753 and Patrick.
hobart - don't know. They don't seem to be too logical; if it were me I would have just ignored her or laughed at her. She'd have gone away soon enough.
Patrick -
Deb is like a rabid flea. She's always buzzing to a new place and trying to start fights.
sorry- slow typing
Bilgeman, Im completely serious about the paranoia. You had a lot of Earth First types there. And a lot of wannabes-and of course, a lot of folks who thought they were more dangerous than they were.
Sven though grew out of my frustration with the list in general, and my frustration with some of its members. This was back in the late 90's.
I couldnt figure the list out. Abbey was pro-gun. The list wasnt; actually for the most part very liberal gun control types.
Abbey was anti-illegal immigrant. The list wasnt. Abbey skewered Democrats as often as he did Republicans. The list was 95% ultra liberal Democrat.
Yoda~~
Oh, OK. It's like that scene
in "WarGames," where they get
Joshua to play tic-tac-toe...
"You're in--order it to disarm
the missiles!" :D
teh™
Sven:
"Yes, Bilgeman, she did, I think moon over me-but that wasnt really me. That was the other me, hard to keep track."
Jeeze..y'know, I don't know whether to congratulate yaor hand you the crew seasick bucket to wear around your neck...
"Im completely serious about the paranoia. You had a lot of Earth First types there. And a lot of wannabes-and of course, a lot of folks who thought they were more dangerous than they were. "
And now they've locked themselves in with Frisch...a person who is MORE dangerous than she thinks.
I'm kinda not surprised that you were banned, Frisch is an envious and petty little horn-dog.
And hopefully one day she'll aim that malicious little mindset at her own brainstem, rather than someone else's.
Regards;
So I created this over-the-top identity: Svenlanka. She was a ditzy blonde Norwegian, working as a hair stylist in Europe who loved Ed Abbey. Poor English skills. Just gushed over some of the AW members, hung on their every word. And then she spent her hard earned cash on a pair of overalls previously owned by Ed Abbey and her life chaged. Whenever she put them on, she channeled dead Ed. Ed, being the womanizer that he was, always did things with her body-tastefully written-PG stuff-and posted to the list.
Oh, golly~~
Duty calls (irl, I mean) :(
Great night, all! :)
well-wishing teh™
Sven hopped a freighter to America, the Star of Oslo, worked her way across the ocean and proceeded to hitchhike across America to attend the annual Abbeyfest-which by the way, is going on this weekend.
Yoda -
No worries; let's call it a "push".
Svetlanka -
That's teh funny®
Tim -
See ya!
Paddy -
You can be the Grand High Vizier, Exalted Poohbah, and Illustrious Nabob of Ministerial, Directorial, and Gerbilicious Protocol.
But can I be Mistress of Teh Dark? (cue therimin music)
sven:
That is hilarious! Norwegian blonde, huh?
Ha ha ha!
Sven;
"I couldnt figure the list out. Abbey was pro-gun. The list wasnt; actually for the most part very liberal gun control types.
Abbey was anti-illegal immigrant. The list wasnt. Abbey skewered Democrats as often as he did Republicans. The list was 95% ultra liberal Democrat. "
Y'know, when you don't have a compass, and you rely on "majority vote" to determine which is the Polestar, you are condemned to sail around in circles.
Back in the Nineties, Kweisi Mfume mafde some noise about suing gun-manufacturers for marketing their products to black people.
I sent Kweisi an e-mail asking if he would support a unilateral gun manufacturer embargo against selling guns to black people...and if he indeed would, then wouldn't such a policy be a Klansman's wet dream?
I never did get a reply, but that's just a example of what happens when you manufacture your own "God" and dream up your own "Truth"...regardless of what the Author wrote.
Regards;
No one seemed to be sure if Svenlanka was real or not. I didnt anticipate that. Apparently some of the folks on the list felt threatened with her actually travelling to meet up at Abbeyfest.
About that time a few other people figured out who was posting and joined in-which created more confusion on the list as people tried to figure out if Sven was real or not-they checked posting times, cross referenced, and nothing added up.
Eventually Sven ended up in Las Vegas and stopped there. Continued posting as Svenlanka and I think that's when Deb met her.
sven,
Genius.
Sheer genius.
well done!
Wonder if DEB-Bile is going to the DEAR-ABBeYfest this week? Could be her last road trip before she is bunking with Large Marge.
It just occurs;
Rosie O'Donnell thinks that radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam.
We all know about the Frisch and her world o "teh creeps".
What is it about middle-aged, overweight menopausal lesbians?
Is something wrong with their mouths?
Regards;
Bilge -
A friend of mine often refers to the man as "Kreisi Nfuming".
Sven was Deb's perfect wet dream-Ed Abbey in a woman's body-what more could she want?
Sven;
That's good stuff, mate...and how many years did this gag go on?
Regards;
sven -
Couldn't hurt that she was a (presumably) buxom blonde that gets all hot in her overalls.
Ewww, eww eww eww eww eww eww eww.
fatwa -
Check your email.
That's pretty much the whole story-it went on for a few years though, and the posts were for the most part pretty well done-although if Deb had thought this up before me, with her superior intelligence and first hand knowledge of all things in the world, it would have been a lot better.
new thread...
No BrendaK, she wasnt that buxom. I scoured the net for a picture of a blonde in faded overalls and the only one I could find and send was a pretty girl that wasnt well-endowed.
Svenlanka is a nice girl-the type you could take home to the folks. Not the type to live in Eugene.
Thanks for the nice comments on the Sven story-AW actually was an interesting place for a lot of folks for a lot of years. At the same time, after hanging out there for 3-4 years, I lost my taste for Ed Abbey. I had a hard time reconciling what I thought about his works with what most of the folks on the list seemed to think of him.
Last weekend when I first posted here, I did so as Sven to tweak Deb a bit. Now that Ive been kicked out of the AW garden, and scaling the walls to get back in doesnt seem worth the effort, I may just become myself.
Time to make dinner-you all (yawl, y'all???) have a good evening.
Sven
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