Wednesday, September 13, 2006

Those who recently subscribed to the Abbeyweb, after being invited to do so last week, are now finding their access limited or removed. This, in addition to the sequestering of the Abbeyweb archives, gives Deb what she wants - a modicum of control over the ability of unwashed billions to view her past and present comments.

At this rate, soon only "true" AbbeyWeb members will be left at AbbeyWeb.

The only question is whether the end result will be a recovering community, or a locked box that only Deb inhabits, with the current traffic and activity of SWP--

Which, come to think about it, is where her meatspace avatar also appears to be headed.

I wonder if some concerned citizens should alert Hostage Rescue to the current Deb standoff.

I don't expect the Helsinki Syndrome - that's Helsinki, Sweden - is all that likely in this case.


At 5:00 PM, Blogger Paddy O'Furnijur said...


Or not, as the case may be.

Barkeep! another round for the Gerbils!

At 5:02 PM, Blogger hobart said...

What makes you guys think Deb is still there? What idiots wouldn't put out all the trash at once?

At 5:05 PM, Blogger Infidel753 said...

Possible Deb sighting (as "Soquepuppet") at Nedra Lives(?).

Er, Helsinki is more in Finland, I think you'll find.....

At 5:06 PM, Blogger tim said...

testing new uniform...:)

At 5:06 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

root beer slurping hypocrite idiots probably wouldn't.

At 5:06 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

what idiots wouldn't put out all the trash at once?

Cowardly idiots?

Like-minded idiots?

Ambivalent idiots?

Mainly, I see the lack of her ranting somewhere else as evidence that she thinks she still has a safe forum there. Once she's booted from there, if it happens, she will go bananas...and do it publicly.

At 5:08 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


The "helsinki sweden" line is from Die Hard, uttered on live TV by a dumb news anchor who is quickly corrected.

The actual syndrome is of course Stockholm. I was just going for teh funny.

At 5:09 PM, Blogger Ducky said...


Your new uniform is indeed teh dashing - but I only can see it by clicking on the avatar.

Maybe the problem is that the image is a tall rectangle rather than something square-ish or perhaps it is a tad large.

Check image properties?

Congratulations on your promotion.

Looking forward to the swearing-in ceremonies.

Perhaps we can also include Brenda's investiture as Minister of Office Protocol?

Flying away for now (but back tomorrow with requested recipe, earlier thread)


At 5:10 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

Once she's booted from there, if it happens, she will go bananas...and do it publicly.

like maybe at nedra's blogspot?

At 5:11 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

Perhaps we can also include Brenda's investiture as Minister of Office Protocol?

and don't forget pet as Minister of Technology.

At 5:15 PM, Blogger Patrick said...

Hi there,

I've been reading this blog for a while, and want to ask waht will be a clarifying question for me.

I see that Deb's blog - SouthWestPaw - appears to be static - no updates.

So, does this mean she's flown to other places to start fights and comment on the fights she starts?

Thanks in advance for answers.


At 5:16 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

Once again, I overthink it and you just say it.

[channeling forrest gump]
i'm not a smart man.
[/channeling forrest gump]

don't know nuthin' 'bout no templates and don't never philosophize, neither.

just don't make me minister of education and we'll all be safe!

At 5:17 PM, Blogger tim said...

Thanks ducky~~

I'll check. :)

...and thanks to brenda, too :)

At 5:18 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Noted and I try will not paint with such a broad brush.

At 5:20 PM, Blogger tim said...


Golly, if I didn't know bettah,
I'd say 'soquepuppet' wuz her...
did you spot the blog (in French, no less?) ;)

At 5:24 PM, Blogger Fatwa Arbuckle said...

Yoda (from previous thread) -

Very interesting points; I must fill in that particular gap in my French history.

(One of the many reasons I love the intertubes is the phenomenal access to information 24/7. When I was about ten years-old, I used to think it would be way cool if every home had a terminal which could access the entire contents Library of Congress any time. The 'tubes are much better than that.)

The Root Beer drinkers and Teh Deb would not be silent now if they controlled the Guillotine.

Agreed. And I can hazard a wild guess as to where gerbils would likely fit into that scenario.

Considering the largely anarchic nature of the internet, I find the reaction of Beau-types quite curious. I guess that's because they're not in-control.

(As they should be, given they're so clearly our intellectual and social betters.)

[Stifles burst of maniacal chortling]

Is that right out of Dickens or what?

True...or Vietnam-era posters.

And I think Dickens actually had a social conscience; Beau merely affects one.

At 5:25 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

how handsome you look in your uniform, minister tim!

yep. it's her. though we ought to ask nedra to look at the IP.

maybe they really did throw her out of the root beer stand!

guess they don't really like teh anarchy much, eh?

At 5:26 PM, Blogger tim said...

Thanks very much, Otta~~

BTW~~"soquepuppet" just agreed to
a Turing test[!]

At 5:27 PM, Blogger tesla said...


You've hit the nail on the head about Deb. Hopefully Sulla, Hosedragger, BrendaK and many others can answer better than I cuz my typing speed is horribly slow. It would take me weeks to tap out what they can say in a few minutes.

At 5:28 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


I can't believe she still doesn't understand what a Turing test does!

At 5:28 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Or is it brushed broad...getting confused

At 5:29 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


the last confirmed Deb sighting was on a site called AbbeyWeb (named after Edward Abbey, who she quotes at the top of her site at SWP).

She also comments occasionally at the decision management listserv (

Her own site has been very quiet, but she was quite vocal last weekend, taking what had been a public list with an open joining policy and years of freely available archives at Abbeyweb, and lobbied for (1) a subscriber only list, (2) a purge of recent subscribers, (3) the locking down of the list archives - not just preventing access, but limiting archiving and caching options (google and

These are the actions of someone deliberately creating a sanctuary where they can speak freely with no (they hope) repurcussions.

At 5:31 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


She's flown to her other listserv sites. No blog commenting that we've been able to verify. Except for the soquepuppet thing today. One of the listserv's has just shut down new subscribers because of our scrutiny of Ms. Frisch, but she was still posting there as of this morning.

At 5:31 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

tim, wonder why your uniform shows up at nedra's but not here?

At 5:32 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


Using a broad brushstroke it is. Perhaps a smaller brush, you must choose. Heh.

At 5:32 PM, Blogger tim said...


She just answered my first


Phuque the turing test. If "u~hu" isint good enuff 4 u, i don't give a phoque votchu tink.


At 5:34 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


There she is! Aww. It's nice to visit with old friends.

At 5:35 PM, Blogger tim said...


I wondered that, too.

I'm getting the feeling I'm
not cut out for Intel Minister.

All day, my answers have been
eitehr wrong or "I don't know"


At 5:35 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

I only bring it up because the French Revolution was the seminal event in current western history and defined left vs right, fanactic vs pricipled belief.
In short, it was the beginning of the left's answer (STFU) to questions they didn't like.

At 5:36 PM, Blogger Sinner said...

In case anyone is interested/paranoid, the timestamp on the comment by "hobart" jibes with a recent visit from you jean orreygone with a familiar IP.

Just sayin'

At 5:36 PM, Blogger tim said...


I've never had a 1-on-1 with
teh deb™ before...

It's confirmed: It's Frischmas,


At 5:37 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


A captive audience for teh Frisch?

I imagine a conference room at a down at the heels hotel in a 2nd or 3rd rank city...a feltboard outside the door with plastic letters spelling out:

"Welcome Edward Abbey Fans"

outside the front door.

The unsuspecting mice sign in and patch on their name tags, and saunter on in to the cold cuts and "box wines" buffet.

When all the prey are in the trap, the Frisch marches in, the doors slam shut with a "BOOM", the sound of the lock bolts slamming home crack in the dead silence.

Frisch stands, glares around, and zeroes in on any male who looks like a heterosexual Jewish economist with conservative politics....

The first victim in the AbbeyWeb Bloodbath.

God, it gives me the "heebie-jeebies".


At 5:40 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

testing tim's uniform

At 5:40 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Good evening folks

At 5:40 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...

Hi Sven!

How's the Root Beer Stand treating you?

At 5:40 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


"I'm getting the feeling I'm
not cut out for Intel Minister.

All day, my answers have been
eitehr wrong or "I don't know""

Some guy's on the line from the CIA at Langley...asks if you're interested in the Director's job.


At 5:41 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Hey ya'll.

Trying to catch up on teh threads.

Congrats to to Hosedragger as Head Troll Repeller.

Congrats to Tim as Head Info Ferret.

Ottava, you made me laugh out loud, loudly suggesting Nedra for IT help!

Brendak, your nomination of me had me saying " WTF?" AND laughing.

At 5:42 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

What the hell? Ive been purged from AW? I didnt even get a dinner out of the deal, no flowers, not even an email. I just thought things were slow in the woods today.

At 5:44 PM, Blogger Paddy O'Furnijur said...

Would that be Hobart DieAssenHatten?

Or Hbart? That's Deb without the "O" - get it? Deb doesn't, at least not without batteries.

That's funny, Deb! I'll even let you use it in your stand-up routine at the prison talent show.

At 5:44 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Hi Mr. Schmo-I thought I was making progress at AW-slowly. I was polite. Ive been there before. I could have made a difference, sniff, if only they would have let me.

At 5:44 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

I'm getting the feeling I'm
not cut out for Intel Minister.

what? are you kidding? you chased her away in three posts flat!

i'm sure that's a first.

At 5:46 PM, Blogger Ducky said...


Sounds like teh Classique Frisch alright. And don't worry - you're doing a great job as Intel minister!

Wonder if DF knows that a top staffer at New Republic got sacked for using sock puppets on his own website?


In any language, sock puppets are not invisibility cloaks.

Re: tim's avatar - all fine now, great work Brenda!

At 5:46 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Tim -

I dunno know what the problem is. I'm going to email you a different url for the image you can try.

It might be protected, though, so who knows.

And blogger is spitting up again!

At 5:47 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

I think they are selling Root Beer again.

At 5:48 PM, Blogger Paddy O'Furnijur said...

Brenda -

It's not blogger, it's Bill the Cat - he's got hairballs again.

At 5:48 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Was it the Inquisition insult or the Guillotine?

At 5:48 PM, Blogger tim said...

Otta & Ducky~~

Thanks for the vote of
confidence. I'll try to
serve worthily :)


It seems great now...thanks,
again~~I'm a new man!

proud-to-serve teh!™

At 5:49 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Sorry fatwa, I meant that for you.

At 5:49 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


Ah well. Edward Abbey's spirit was a bit of a loner, so maybe this is just a course correction, instead of a political purge. I can hope, right?

At 5:50 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


"And blogger is spitting up again! "

Oh good...I was thinking I'd have to go shovel some more coal into the boilers...

...HATE when that happens!


At 5:51 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

The secret tingly little pleasure for years behing the scenes at AW was that what was being discussed was so radical, so threatening, that the list entity was certain it was being monitored by the govt.

Periodically, one member or another would toss a defiant post at the hidden watchers. Cautions would be issued to the members.

But this is a first.

At 5:51 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

hey rabbit!

i just figured with all that blogspotting nedra's doing, she might have figured out the mysteries of the templates.

hey there sven. sorry you've been thrown out the root beer stand with the VBS gerbils.

you're in good company, at least.

At 5:52 PM, Blogger tim said...

teh deb left a comment on my
blog, too~~


At 5:52 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Someone's knocking at the door

[Abbeyweb] Anybody home ?

Thu Sep 14 00:52:21 CEST 2006

Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ]


Just checking.

SF Mike

At 5:53 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


Howdy. Hey, you should tell us about yourself.

Against my better judgement, I'm kinda intrigued about what kind of male would get a middle=aged, overweight lesbian's "juices flowing"

That WAS you she was a-moonin' over in the Abbey Web, yes?



At 5:54 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

sven -

You betcha, the gov't is always VERY CONCERNED with people who like poetry and live in shacks in the woods.

At 5:55 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

I dont know Joe, ack indeed. Their worse fears confirmed-not the govt, but that vast right-wing conspiracy. Invading their space.

So much for open debate.

At 5:55 PM, Blogger Fatwa Arbuckle said...

Yoda -

Sorry...with all that's gone on the last several minutes, I'm a little lost re your last query.

(Or it could be my first "senior moment". YAY!)

At 5:56 PM, Blogger tim said...

Good to finally meet you.

What's that? Are you in?

At 5:57 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


"The secret tingly little pleasure for years behing the scenes at AW was that what was being discussed was so radical, so threatening, that the list entity was certain it was being monitored by the govt."

Are you serious?

I cut my teeth on the militia and gun-rights Usenet boards, where most of the behind-the-scenes fun was figuring out who was Eff Bee Aye and who was a neo-Nazi, and which neo-Nazi was actually a meatspace nice Jewish kid doing his B'nai B'rith ADL/ JDL "thing" from some student union somewhere.

Ahhh, but the long winter evenings would fly right by...


At 5:57 PM, Blogger Ducky said...

"Doncha hear
troll bells ringing?

On the intertubes
teh Deb's flinging

A sleighload of poo
awhile shouting 'Phuque u'

at anybody-who-doesn't-think-she's funny

Boo hoo hoo."

Merreeeeee Frischmassssss!


At 5:58 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

yoda, you got that from the listserv?

they de-purged you?

At 5:58 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


what tim r u, den?


At 5:58 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Minister Semiconductor
I hit my bookmark and got the reply I posted above. I removed his contact info so the Root Beer Gestapo would not raid our site.

At 5:59 PM, Blogger tim said...



Dawg, I still can't believe,
after all this time...we can
always 'trust teh cycle'®

At 5:59 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Yes, Bilgeman, she did, I think moon over me-but that wasnt really me. That was the other me, hard to keep track.

At 5:59 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Need I remind anyone that it's Frishmas eve?
She's doing some "defamatin'" all over the innertubes.

At 6:00 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

on the other hand, yoda, they are so paranoid, that they're probably de-purging us one at a time to find out who will post at DHD!

my, but they're smart.

At 6:01 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Good evening, hobart, Infidel753 and Patrick.

hobart - don't know. They don't seem to be too logical; if it were me I would have just ignored her or laughed at her. She'd have gone away soon enough.

Patrick -

Deb is like a rabid flea. She's always buzzing to a new place and trying to start fights.

At 6:02 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

It appears to be a test ping. Can't link to any other info.

At 6:02 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

sorry- slow typing

At 6:02 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Bilgeman, Im completely serious about the paranoia. You had a lot of Earth First types there. And a lot of wannabes-and of course, a lot of folks who thought they were more dangerous than they were.

At 6:06 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Sven though grew out of my frustration with the list in general, and my frustration with some of its members. This was back in the late 90's.

I couldnt figure the list out. Abbey was pro-gun. The list wasnt; actually for the most part very liberal gun control types.

Abbey was anti-illegal immigrant. The list wasnt. Abbey skewered Democrats as often as he did Republicans. The list was 95% ultra liberal Democrat.

At 6:07 PM, Blogger tim said...


Oh, OK. It's like that scene
in "WarGames," where they get
Joshua to play tic-tac-toe...

"You're in--order it to disarm
the missiles!" :D


At 6:07 PM, Blogger Beau Kitty said...

n e buddy c Boo Kitty here?

Boo Kitty chicened-out last nite an nev r chaud up at tha lit r box for our fite.

Cowerdlee Boo Kitty.

At 6:08 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

I think they are trying to execute an elegant retreat....burn the books slowly, arrest the suspects on side streets and silence the opposition with no response.

It appears they want the "problem" to just go beau.

At 6:08 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


"Yes, Bilgeman, she did, I think moon over me-but that wasnt really me. That was the other me, hard to keep track."

Jeeze..y'know, I don't know whether to congratulate yaor hand you the crew seasick bucket to wear around your neck...

"Im completely serious about the paranoia. You had a lot of Earth First types there. And a lot of wannabes-and of course, a lot of folks who thought they were more dangerous than they were. "

And now they've locked themselves in with Frisch...a person who is MORE dangerous than she thinks.

I'm kinda not surprised that you were banned, Frisch is an envious and petty little horn-dog.

And hopefully one day she'll aim that malicious little mindset at her own brainstem, rather than someone else's.


At 6:09 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

I'm probably the one who had the senior moment.When I can remember what I said I'll holler

At 6:10 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

So I created this over-the-top identity: Svenlanka. She was a ditzy blonde Norwegian, working as a hair stylist in Europe who loved Ed Abbey. Poor English skills. Just gushed over some of the AW members, hung on their every word. And then she spent her hard earned cash on a pair of overalls previously owned by Ed Abbey and her life chaged. Whenever she put them on, she channeled dead Ed. Ed, being the womanizer that he was, always did things with her body-tastefully written-PG stuff-and posted to the list.

At 6:11 PM, Blogger tim said...

Oh, golly~~

Duty calls (irl, I mean) :(

Great night, all! :)

well-wishing teh™

At 6:11 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

a lot of folks who thought they were more dangerous than they were.

which really sort of supports what i said on a previous thread: the fact that no one here took them seriously was the worst possible thing we could have done.

i saw several posts just in just the 24 hours or so that i was subscribed about letting us stay and figuring they could teach us something.

but we didn't post. we didn't engage them or get enraged at their dangerous subterfuge.

we just laughed.

...burn the books slowly, arrest the suspects on side streets and silence the opposition with no response.

yes, yoda. right you seem to be. silence the laughter because it's the one thing they can't tolerate.

dangerous, scary anarchists!

At 6:13 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Sven hopped a freighter to America, the Star of Oslo, worked her way across the ocean and proceeded to hitchhike across America to attend the annual Abbeyfest-which by the way, is going on this weekend.

At 6:13 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Tim...uh Minister...can I just call you Tim?
Yeah, I liked that analogy. Do you want to play a game of chess? Do you want to play a game of thermonuclear warfare?
What was the machine's name? WHOPPER?

At 6:13 PM, Blogger Fatwa Arbuckle said...

Yoda -

No worries; let's call it a "push".

Svetlanka -

That's teh funny®

Tim -

See ya!

At 6:14 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Paddy -

You can be the Grand High Vizier, Exalted Poohbah, and Illustrious Nabob of Ministerial, Directorial, and Gerbilicious Protocol.

But can I be Mistress of Teh Dark? (cue therimin music)

At 6:15 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


That is hilarious! Norwegian blonde, huh?

Ha ha ha!

At 6:15 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


"I couldnt figure the list out. Abbey was pro-gun. The list wasnt; actually for the most part very liberal gun control types.

Abbey was anti-illegal immigrant. The list wasnt. Abbey skewered Democrats as often as he did Republicans. The list was 95% ultra liberal Democrat. "

Y'know, when you don't have a compass, and you rely on "majority vote" to determine which is the Polestar, you are condemned to sail around in circles.

Back in the Nineties, Kweisi Mfume mafde some noise about suing gun-manufacturers for marketing their products to black people.

I sent Kweisi an e-mail asking if he would support a unilateral gun manufacturer embargo against selling guns to black people...and if he indeed would, then wouldn't such a policy be a Klansman's wet dream?

I never did get a reply, but that's just a example of what happens when you manufacture your own "God" and dream up your own "Truth"...regardless of what the Author wrote.


At 6:16 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

the history of sven!

great stuff. thanks for sharing.

At 6:18 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

No one seemed to be sure if Svenlanka was real or not. I didnt anticipate that. Apparently some of the folks on the list felt threatened with her actually travelling to meet up at Abbeyfest.

About that time a few other people figured out who was posting and joined in-which created more confusion on the list as people tried to figure out if Sven was real or not-they checked posting times, cross referenced, and nothing added up.

Eventually Sven ended up in Las Vegas and stopped there. Continued posting as Svenlanka and I think that's when Deb met her.

At 6:19 PM, Blogger Sulla said...



Sheer genius.

well done!

At 6:19 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Wonder if DEB-Bile is going to the DEAR-ABBeYfest this week? Could be her last road trip before she is bunking with Large Marge.

At 6:20 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...

It just occurs;

Rosie O'Donnell thinks that radical Christianity is just as threatening as radical Islam.

We all know about the Frisch and her world o "teh creeps".

What is it about middle-aged, overweight menopausal lesbians?

Is something wrong with their mouths?


At 6:20 PM, Blogger Fatwa Arbuckle said...

Bilge -

A friend of mine often refers to the man as "Kreisi Nfuming".

At 6:21 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Sven was Deb's perfect wet dream-Ed Abbey in a woman's body-what more could she want?

At 6:24 PM, Blogger Bilgeman said...


That's good stuff, mate...and how many years did this gag go on?


At 6:25 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

sven -

Couldn't hurt that she was a (presumably) buxom blonde that gets all hot in her overalls.

Ewww, eww eww eww eww eww eww eww.

At 6:26 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

fatwa -

Check your email.

At 6:27 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

That's pretty much the whole story-it went on for a few years though, and the posts were for the most part pretty well done-although if Deb had thought this up before me, with her superior intelligence and first hand knowledge of all things in the world, it would have been a lot better.

At 6:28 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

new thread...

At 6:31 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

No BrendaK, she wasnt that buxom. I scoured the net for a picture of a blonde in faded overalls and the only one I could find and send was a pretty girl that wasnt well-endowed.

Svenlanka is a nice girl-the type you could take home to the folks. Not the type to live in Eugene.

At 6:47 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Thanks for the nice comments on the Sven story-AW actually was an interesting place for a lot of folks for a lot of years. At the same time, after hanging out there for 3-4 years, I lost my taste for Ed Abbey. I had a hard time reconciling what I thought about his works with what most of the folks on the list seemed to think of him.

At 6:52 PM, Blogger svenlanka said...

Last weekend when I first posted here, I did so as Sven to tweak Deb a bit. Now that Ive been kicked out of the AW garden, and scaling the walls to get back in doesnt seem worth the effort, I may just become myself.

Time to make dinner-you all (yawl, y'all???) have a good evening.



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