Tuesday, September 12, 2006

Sorry to repost something, but this really has me steamed:
sinner's got a daughter and is in the process of moving. he's a software engineer, i think.
As Chell said on the other post:
Now what could possibly be the benign reason behind a post like that? Really.
Teh Deb Abbey Files” didn't exist when she posted that little gem, that combined with the fact that she was successful in getting their archives locked away into the “sekrit clubhouse” tells me that she didn't expect to have the disinfectant of sunshine applied to this email. That really ups the creepy factor.

Also, what is up with Dr. Debbie Frisch and kids of people she dislikes? With all the things I have chosen to reveal about myself, she gloms onto the fact that I have a daughter. Just how creepy is that?

I made light of this earlier, but I really should take it more seriously. I have done a pretty great job of separating my meatspace ID from my webspace ID, but nothing is 100%. Someone with talent and time to kill could find quite a few clues to my ID. Maybe enough to get within a million people or so... Deb has no skillz, but does seem to have plenty of time and a sugar daddy-o footing the bills.

For the record, I absolutely feel threatened by this email. This is not anything like the Jeff Goldstein stuff because those threats (and yes, they were threats) were out in public. This feels a lot more real and a lot more sinister. Lurking in the shadows and plotting something against me and my family.

Filing an RO, which if I understand it correctly would be a “slam dunk” with this sort of evidence, would only serve to ID me, so I will rely on my webspace measures to shield my family.

Anyone seeing stuff like this, please get a screen cap and send it to me. If you are on the list and get the direct email, I would also be very interested in seeing the email with the headers intact.


At 4:44 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

sinner, i'm on the list and i will absolutely send you anything that mentions you at all.

oh. am i first? probably not by the time i post this.

At 4:56 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Sinner -

She always attacks men with children more viciously then anyone else.

At 5:08 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


Take care of yourself, and your family. There is likely more than enough evidence to sink this idiot already.

Perhaps the Eugene PD would be able to act on information without needing personal details. She's already on their radar.

At 5:22 PM, Blogger tim said...


Don't worry. We're keeping
our eye on the ball...and on
teh abbeyweb ;)

At 5:33 PM, Blogger Denny Crane said...

She's pretty damned creepy.

Part of me dismisses the kid thing as an awareness that insults or threats against one's children are the quickest and most hurtful way to attack someone. Cruel, but no big deal.

Another part of me thinks it's not so calculated, and she has a true psychotic issue with kids and fathers.

I would not recommend lightly dismissing the latter. We just don't know.

I am a father, and mostly a stay-at-home dad now. Not only that, but one of my degrees is in the "dismal science" of economics. She's gotta love me, right? But she stopped picking on me for some reason. That's kinda creepy in an of itself.

She's probably harmless, but it's not prudent to make that assumption.

We need Judge Sulla on the case. From what I do know about his temperment, she would be separated from society.

At 5:56 PM, Blogger Northwesterner said...

Someone asked me this question just today: Is she dangerous? Especially to the people she's been phoning and harrassing and specifically insulting and lying about on her blog?

I think not. Denny, you may think it's best to err on the side of caution, and I'm sure it's true, but she runs away from cyber fights crying like a kindergardener, for heaven's sake, and they are virtual, not real fights.

Also, IRL she is a tiny thing (not thin, but small). I could lift her up & body slam her (and I want to. But I won't. I'll be good).

She is a danger to herself, I think. She is trying her best to get victimized by someone so she can push the blame for all her problems off onto someone else.

My take, & it's also based on discussions with others who know her & are concerned about her.

Yes, she does have a weird, nasty fascination with children, especially when their fathers are their care providers. Thus, this site. Right?

At 6:00 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

I completely understand your fear. After the post where she accused me of murdering and attempting to murder or otherwise harm my patients and forming a complaint based on such with my department, I have been watching carefully for the same. Then when she posted looking for my name and any other information including phone number and address, let me tell you, I already have a lawyer on call for her as well as I have a brother in State Lawenforcement that will not take this very well...especially any and all threats to his nieces and nephew.

She is playing a seriously dngerous game that she has yet to learn a lesson from. At some point, she will go too far and by then it will be too late for her.

While her little friends at Abbey Web may not care about conversing and camping and whatever with a pedophile tha likes to target childrem we don't think too highly of them here, and I have alot of friends and family in law enforcement.

Keep going Deb.

At 6:07 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

Yes, she does have a weird, nasty fascination with children, especially when their fathers are their care providers. Thus, this site. Right?

this site, as i understand it, is about keeping her from ever teaching again at the collegiate level, which her PhD would otherwise allow.

this fascination she has with very small children and their fathers is something else altogether.

one of my family members threatened suicide a couple of years ago; none of us really thought she'd do it, but we couldn't ignore it, either. just in case.

and just in case, it's wise for sinner and JG and others she's virtually threatened to be careful.


At 6:11 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

One should NEVER take something like this lightly. It is foolish to do so. It is foolish to ever brush someone off that makes threats, ESPECIALLY concerning children, or feel it is ok to target them.


At 6:13 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

Denny Crane!!!!!!!!!!

Good to see you posting again.

At 6:25 PM, Blogger Denny Crane said...

Dragger Dude,

You're right.

I'll take risks with my own person, but never with my kids. I owe it to them to take every risk or threat as deadly serious.

At 6:26 PM, Blogger Denny Crane said...


At 6:27 PM, Blogger Northwesterner said...

IRL, one single vicious bitch-slap is enough to send her packing permanently. She is a Coward capital C.

But I'm sure that you wiser minds than mine should prevail. I guess I just resent such threats so much, and I get so angry, that I can't stand the thought of fearing such a person. Yet, I'm a nonny mouse here, too. So there ya go.

At 6:38 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

All pedophiles are cowards. All people that do evil to children are cowards. While she is to much of a coward to take on an adult, let alone a male, a child offers her an easy target, and one that doesn't put up much of a fight.

Richard Alan Davis went after Polly Klass because Davis' cellie was once a relative of Mark Klass. It was a retaliation thing.

How do I know? My brother was once a CDC officer. It is something they don't tell in the media as it should be about the child.

Since she feels that targeting a child is only the fair way to attack the parent she has disagreements with, it is easy to see why anyone should be concerned about her veiled and not so veild "I think XXXX is 'fair game'" threats about children. If anything I am pretty certain such actions can be "actionable". Something about making terrorist threats or threats with the specific purpose in instilling fear of harm against someone else or something like that.

What do you think Denny?

At 7:05 PM, Blogger Northwesterner said...

I was thinking that she could be reported to the Department of Human Services if she threatened a specific child, but threatening to harm a child as part of what constitutes abuse here isn't verbal, it's physically putting them in danger.

Still, I guess I would want to make a formal record. Since contacting police reveals one's identity, how about forwarding threatening emails to her ISP and appealing to them? Say, look, she's threatening children. This is harrassment, it's illegal, and isn't it against your policies?

Do you think they would do anything at all in that case, even warn her to stop?

At 8:09 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

Denny Crane- I'm absolutely convinced that your posting today is because we were talking about the denny crane character on Boston Legal at work today. I won't bore you all with the reason why it came up in conversation, but for a while there I was blurting out "Denny Crane" repeatedly (and getting some really good laughs for the appropriateness of the comment)

At 8:47 PM, Blogger Dianna said...

I suspect this thread is dead, and I've missed most of the lead-in, but for what it's worth:

Sinner, never ignore a threat. Ever. No matter how unrealistic it seems.

From the night this meltdown started, I've thought that JG's reaction was wrong - no threat to one's own safety, and particularly not the safety of one's family, can ever be ignored or laughed off.

A restraining order only works if the person you take it out against is rational, and cares about consequences. I have not been sure for some time whether Deb is even able to see that consequences apply to her.

As a caveat, I'm more concerned, in a real-world way, that she'll harm herself, and her obsession with suicide worries me badly. But you can't tell.

Take this seriously. Don't laugh it off, and don't think she's incapable.

At 8:56 PM, Blogger hobart said...

What pussies you all are. Afraid of some wimp in Oregon because she knows you have a daughter? Jesus fucking christ.

At 9:06 PM, Blogger Dianna said...

Hobart -

Did you read Fall of the White Ship Avatar? I enjoyed it.

Clearly, you've never been under threat; if you had, you'd know that you never, ever, take a threat, however veiled, to a helpless person associated with you lightly.

People die that way.

At 10:17 PM, Blogger hobart said...

There was no threat, dumbass.

Just a bunch of people so desperate for stimulation they wanna make up shit to thrill themselves. Being threatened and in danger, having to protect your children from some evil monster--makes you feel fucking alive, gets the juices flowing. Same reason people watch horror movies, fantasies to get your heart going.

At 1:24 AM, Blogger SBH said...

Sinner, Good evening. I'm sorry you're going through this.

My understanding is that you should stop in and actually chat with someone in law enforcement about something like this. Follow their lead. It's what they do.

In some cases, even when it's not what they would call "an active threat", they like to officially "open a file". That way, if it does escalate they already have an open file on the case - can show a history and can get the legal orders in place to act on it immediatly. It can save a lot of time.

The laws concerning this are radically different in each state and jurisdiction. Good luck.

At 1:27 AM, Blogger SBH said...

Sinner, I know you only asked for folks to send pertinant posts of deb's to you and didn't need my legalish advice but...I'm a mom. Please pardon me if I stepped over the line.


At 4:57 AM, Blogger Sinner said...


Don't marginalize yourself!

That's good advice and I will act upon it, thanks!

At 5:22 AM, Blogger Sinner said...

[sniff] [sniff]

Do I smell "batfrisch"?

At 9:17 AM, Blogger hobart said...

Stop smelling yourself, dude.


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