Please don't hire Dr. Deborah Frisch, she should not be in contact with youth.
posted by Sinner @ 5:50 AM
i predict we're gonna see teh crazy® break out in full force this week other places than DHD (if that has indeed been her the last couple of days).remember what happened around the 20th, the last time her hits got as low as they were yesterday?watch out! it's coming! teh crazy® train is coming.
Holy cow! That's some serious Crayzee. And NASTY. She's a real piece of work, as was the "visitor" who wanted to insist that Goldstein deserved it.Hell, I don't post at PW and only read it in reference but I threw shekels his way because what he's doing in the courts in this case is important. She went way over the line, and people who defend her really don't care about those lines, because Goldstein isn't "human" to them, either.
That thread last night... whoa!Any theories as to why she's so quick to make connections to pedophilia? I've seen that Count photoshop many times, I have no idea of its origins, but the biggest reaction it got from me was a roll of the eyes. I never thought, "Oh my god! Save the children! He's a predator."Who makes those kinds of connections?
As for the threat level... perhaps changing "Sober" to "Hungover" would be more accurate.
Funny, it got bad after I pointed out to her that Jeff got a weekly spot over on "Hot Air". I guess it did sting. What a shallow, maniacal little pedophile she is. And look...another day where she wakes up lonely and hated by thousands. What a legacy she leaves. Thank God she's a lesbian. At least she will leave no children that are raised by her, and none that are in personal danger of her on a daily basis.
Is there any IP verification that warriordumot is who she claims to be? Or is she someone's sockpuppet? I wonder sometimes if she's not Cecile. Every time I see "warriordumot" I think of this lady.
blizzarlane:the straight lady for the marx brothers. how apropos!By all accounts she never understood their jokes (offscreen and on), which is of course a major reason why she's so funny.that's just too perfect
Hey gang, longtime reader, first time poster. I don't think it was her posting last night, she got off character a little too easy.
Blizzardlane.Email me the amount your sent to Jeff if you would like it included in the "DHD to Jeff tip-o-meter".Same for anyone else who has given too!
clearly, i am just off schedule. like the idiot with no rhythm clapping totally off beat.where is everybody? (hey there, trainwreck ... glad to see you posting!)are y'all at church right now? brenda, are you teaching sunday school? sinner, is today the big finale for VBS, perhaps? it's maybe a bit early for those of you on the west coast . . . but i'm pretty certain at least one or two of you inhabit EST with me.i'm dying to hear what everyone thinks about the posts last night (deb? or not deb! . . . say this with your best howie mandel impersonation). and, sinner, whether you've looked at the IP . . . or perhaps she's learned to spoof.at this point, i'm with trainwreck. i don't think it was deb. someone else pointed out in an earlier thread that it was just TOO frischy. what do you think? and if it's not deb, who is it?someone said cecile. now i'm going to display my woeful lack of participation last week and admit that i don't know who cecile is.old flame perhaps? former student who's trying to get the frisch in trouble?hmmm.
w3bgrrl:Any theories as to why she's so quick to make connections to pedophilia? that was the one thing that made me wonder if it was really her. that is just so wacked out it could occur only to the debmented.
Ottavarima- Cecile is the ex in Tucson. Deb seems to be a little touchy where she is concerned. At some point someone who claimed to know them outside of the blog-world said Cecile is actually nuttier than Deb. John Henry has hinted that he found some evidence of this on the web, but hasn't share it with the rest of us yet
I had never been to Protein Wisdom before this mess started. I went there following links from another blog I read daily. I was absolutely disgusted by the things Deb wrote (and admitted to writing) in reference to Mr. Goldstein's child and wife.I have gone to PW since then on a few occasions, read some posts and comment threads, and came to the conclusion pretty quickly that it's just not my kind of scene. I don't like the humor there and at times found some of it offensive. SO I STOPPED READING THE POSTS AND COMMENTS. The people who post there are free to post what they want, the fact that I find some of it objectionable just doesn't matter. All I have to do, is not go there and then it doesn't bother me.Deb's posts and comments on the other hand are more than offensive, they are sick and twisted and at the same time calculated. Her comments and potential for further destabilization are frightening. She wants a reaction from people and does what she needs to do to get one. I could be wrong, but it seemed to me that when the people on this site were not engaging her directly, but were having fun at her expense (e.g. the poetry slam), she was unappy about the lack of attention. That brought teh crazy back out in force.Whether this warriordumot person is her or not, the comments that have been made are also way across the line. Even worse if it isn't Deb because it means someone is trying to stoke the flames of an already dangerous situation.I'd like to echo what someone else posted earlier- these comments and anything that might identify who is posting them should be forwarded to legal authorities. If it is Deb and she is using a spoofing service, I'm pretty sure there are forensic methods that can still determine if the posts came from her computer or not.
mariposa, thank you.it's funny, because when i saw the photo of them with that beautiful yellow lab, way back in the very beginning days of this whole episode, i thought the partner looked so normal.guess i never really learned what my mom always tried to teach me: you can't judge a book by its cover.it does make me so sad that two crazy women were responsible for that gorgeous dog (i'm partial to labs, having a chocolate one myself). wonder where the dog is now?yes, i know. i focus on the totally wrong thing. but oh well. that's why i come to this support group... to get help from the saner.(btw, mariposa: the first time i saw you post here, i thought of julia alvarez' book "in the time of the butterflies." beautiful, haunting story.)
No one could copy her that closely. It was in direct correlation to her saying she came by to see this site. My money is that it is her. Too closely related between posts here and there.
She just can't seem to get her mind around the fact that she shouldn't be posting ANYTHING about PW or JG and his family. She needs to prune her vocabulary of "cockula" and any reference to Colorado. She lost at Teh Interwebs and has the restraining orders to show for it. If she keeps poking this hornet's nest with a stick, she will get stung, and badly.
No one could copy her that closely. It was in direct correlation to her saying she came by to see this site. My money is that it is her. Too closely related between posts here and there.you're probably right, hosedragger. and i'm sure i'm wrong. especially given that i was certain it couldn't possibly be her during that second round of insanity at PW.that kind of stupidity is pretty much outside the realm of what is believable. and every time she takes it up a level on whichever site she trolls, i say to myself: this can't be her. she can't be this idiotic. she has a freaking pee aitch dee for god's sake. it MUST be someone spoofing her.and every time, it ends up being her.and again . . . look at the stats. the last time she got this crazy, it was around the 20th, when her daily hits fell below 1K (like yesterday).hosedragger, you'll make a believer of me yet (what was that mantra joe posted yesterday about believing?)
Yikes. The August 15 court date was a formality to schedule a real hearing in November. The judge was not impressed at the idea of a restraining order against someone Mr. Goldstein had never met or talked to on the phone.Postiing comments on this blog - a blog meant to stalk me created by fans of JG and used to raise funds for JG is well within my first amendment rights. Referring to Satchel Goldstein is well within my first amendment rights.Speaking of which, Mr. Goldstein committed perjury in his application for a restraining order when he claimed that he was not including his wife or Satchel because I had no identifying information about either of them.On the application for the RO, Jeff lied and said I didn't know Satchel's name. I have no idea why he committed perjury on the application for the restraining order. You'd have to ask him about that.
i'll quote it again:By all accounts she never understood their jokes (offscreen and on), which is of course a major reason why she's so funny.HA.
ha ha ha haaaaaaa!oh. it's good to laugh while i'm stuck at my computer making 2007 budgetary projections for clients.
whether it's her or not. it's funny.it's just phree king phunie.though i do question the timing.
Dudes,It's her. No one else would keep trying to justify her behavior at this late date.[phbuh]
For what its worth, I believe it's her. Tuesday, the 22nd, justhereforthebeer posted a link to the court docket on John's blog. Wednesday, was the "Instalanche," with a corresponding spike to her site meter. By Friday, she was slithering about here at DHD. Her wretched life gets broadcast all over the internet before she even has a chance to sober up and figure out what just happened. And she blames that pathetic pissant "thinner!"
She's cut off comments this morning. I wonder why?
Maybe if we ignore it, it will go away. I have that country song that Brendak was talking about the other day in my mind: "Here's a quarter. Call someone who cares."
by the way, brendaK. you are a good girl who loves her mother and we all approve!did you at least have fun on your blind date for coffee?
I know I'm late to this, but could we please leave the ex out of this? She's not the one who made nasty, pedophiliac comments. I don't care about her nuttiness, it hasn't been thrown in our faces, and I see no reason to make her another victim of Deb's insanity.
You know, Dianna, I'd tend to agree, but then something happens. How about she leave Goldstein's kid and wife out of it. I just saw where she went into a pretty inactive thread last night and shat out a "snatchel" post.
dianna: "She's cut off comments this morning. I wonder why?" I see that she's allowing comments... as though the entire world is lining up to comment about her unfinished magnum opus. Remember those Mexican fishermen that washed up in Samoa or somwehere that was reported last week? I heard that as soon as they crawled off of the stinking raft that had been their home for weeks, they asked their rescuers if Frisch had finished "Coyote Mind" yet. Regards;
Blizzardlane, we're not her. And, while Deb has made herself the business of the blogosphere, her ex hasn't, and it's unseemly to drag her into it.If the ex chooses to intervene, that's one thing. But she hasn't, so let's leave her out. She's not, from where I'm sitting, a legitimate target.Bilgeman, those poor men! Deprived of Coyote Mind, which they needed the help them in their peril!
... while Deb has made herself the business of the blogosphere, her ex hasn't, and it's unseemly to drag her into it.dianna, you are right.please excuse my earlier remarks.
It's crude, base, not funny, in addition to hurtful to parents to hear their child sexually objectified by a stranger. Like a rapist, her entire point is to show she's got power -- in this case to disgust, repulse, maybe even cause some psychic wounds: "I'm gonna talk about your kid's genitals in the most salacious way possible and there's nothing you can do!" So basically, she's a rapist wannabe.
warriordumot said... Yikes. The August 15 court date was a formality to schedule a real hearing in November.You are a liar Deb. Your atty asked for and got a continuance at the August 15 hearing. It was NOT a formality to schedule a real hearing.You are also an idiot because you think you can get away with these lies (and the rest of your filth). You are on official display ( aka the public record) now.Sorry Joe...didn't have time to end that with a verb.
While I'm open to the suggestion that the judge on august 15 wouldn't be gung-ho on the RO, I fully believe that an ARRAIGNMENT the followiing week, and a court date to be resolved in September, wll be added to the consideration in November.Simply put, Deb - if you can learn to act like a civilized human being between now and Sept. 25, you might escape jail in Oregon. If your case there goes decently, then you'll have ammunition to bring to the hearing in November.Think you can be on best behavior for four weeks? Last night's behavior certainly didn't qualify.If what we're doing to you you is stalking, then what you're doing to Jeff and Froggy (just to name two) is stalking. All you need to do, to secure your efforts to come after us, is to find a legal precedent that says that online behavior can qualify.I'd say you're well on your way to being that test case.You wanted to be a pioneer in your field. Guess you were simply mistaken about which field it would be.stbyda
I agree with dianna. I would urge Deb's family to intervene on her behalf, but her ex doesn't interest me as a target, or as a shiv.Deb's actions against other people are MORE than enough to bludgeon her with. Searching public records is also perfectly acceptable, because it's real-world proof that we're not simply picking on the handicapped, but that we're publicizing a threat to public safety.
oh holy man.i just went over there for the first time today. what the hell? what the hell is all that crap she's posting without letting any comments through?is it possible that she doesn't realize most people go there only to read the comments?need i quote it again? (someone slap me, please):By all accounts she never understood their jokes (offscreen and on), which is of course a major reason why she's so funny.DEB YOU PHREEEEK:let the comments flow. that's the ONLY reason anyone other than the idiots like gideon and chell come to your site.you're only phunnie in the context of the DHD sockpuppets.do you really not get that?
Yeah, Sulla, I've suspected for some time that she is a threat, one way or another. I do hope she gets help, soon. It's really disturbing to watch this; but I can't look away. I so do not want to end up a horrified witness to real-world violence. But that seems to me to be where she's headed.
blizzardlane:a rapist wannabe ... and a terrorist wannabe.way back around the 4th when she first started posting the vileness, i thought ... yeah. she's a terrorist. purposefully targeting a two year old.vile, vile, vile.there are times that i begin to feel sorry for her because it's obvious that she is so beaten.the problem is, regardless of how beaten she is, she continues flinging her vileness, like hizbollah continues flinging their missiles.someday, i will have chilren in college. this woman is young enough that she could possibly be their teacher.God forbid.which is why i'm thankful for this blog.(in addition to the fact that because of sinner, i have my own little support group. it's all about ME after all.)
CHILDREN in college.where the heck is my spellchecker today?(he's off playing golf)
regarding this morning's site activity on swp, I'm not critical of her efforts to focus on the book.seriously.it's constructive. the more she focuses on the things she's good at, the more that part of her brain gets a chance to breathe, and that could be her salvation.Almost nobody berates themselves into better mental health. Someone mentioned "the seven steps" earlier - and yeah, when I get too caught up in crap, I succeed best at escaping it by doing something positive. go to church. help someone stuck on the side of th road. read a good book or listen to music.or write cheesy poetry.if Coyote Mind helps Deb focus on the good in her, that's wonderful. I don't want to encourage Teh Crazy. But when she brings it, my goal is to suck the fun out of it for her. if she wants to yell Pedophile in a room full of nursing mothers to get her kicks, our best bet isn't to be outraged (which is what shhe wants) but to outrage her with those things that sting her the most. Reveal her "escape" behavior fror the dead end that it is.When she finds no joy in being a jerk because others are so much better at it and focused upon her, she'll HAVE to look elsewhere for fulfillment. That's a good thing.encourage the book. stomp her like a narc at a Phish concert when she acts like she did last night; absolutely. but when sheshows signs of humanity, breathe a sigh of relief.She should never teach again. but if she wants to write textbooks for a living, more poer to her.
sulla, yes.that's why i come here. sanity like yours.thanks.
Personally, I consider almost anything fair game when it comes to the posterthing®. That's not to say I would necessarily comment on certain things; only that it doesn't bother me at all to see such comments emerge.
well, wait a minute. i don't if i want my kids reading her textbooks anymore than i want them sitting in her classroom.no. that's not acceptable, either.
oh lordy. if you just go by the order of my posts, i look a bit schizo today.oh well. whatever.i don't want teh crazy® in the classroom OR in my childrens' college textbooks.if she wants to write BOOKS, fine.though on the other hand, by the time my kids get to college they'll be able to snuff out teh crazy® better than i can now.i believe the children are our future. teach them well and let them lead the way.
Hey, everyone.And how has YOUR Sunday been?Ottavarima:Thanks so much. As you can see from the previous thread, I was pretty stung when that troll slammed me re 'The Blind Date From Mom'® -- which, was ok. He was a perfectly nice man who is not a psycho and not my type.I hope Vodka:Thirty is ok. He was really upset about the whole thing.Frisch or not Frisch, it was nasty and looked to get even nastier. Thank goodness (s)he backed off before going off into Neverland.
When the heat gets to be too much, she retreats into being a "serious writer". Since her writing is crap, the comments pour in reflecting that. She doesn't always post them, but she reads them.Sooner or later, it hits a nerve & she stikes out somewhere on a blog. She enjoys teh crazy cycle for awhile. Then her family or the law reins her in & she gets serious again. We are in the "See I'm a serios writer" phase. It won't last, it never does.So now we have another date to add to the Debcourt countdown calendar. That's 4 dates we know of so far(Aug. 15 & 21. Sept.25 & Nov.?). I guess deb was right that bad things don't come in threes.When your'e Deb, they just keep coming...
That book is going to be a tough thing for her to rely on.According to her own posts, all she has so far is an idea for chapters and (mis)quotes from other, famous people.Her record indicates that she never published anything other than her dissertation.
Spake Sulla:"She should never teach again. but if she wants to write textbooks for a living, more poer to her. " Actually, you're quite right. I could see where a book authored by Frischker would come in very handy on a lifeboat. Nobody EVER remembers to bring toilet paper when abandoning ship. Regards;
I notice that Deb really likes the "framing effect." Which is why she'll only talk about the Goldstein restraining order, but not the new charges at the arraignment. Not even a mention of her little adventure (yet) on her posts.I figure she's still working out a way to "frame" it as a positive or at least a negative on someone else.As for writing textbooks: it'll never happen. She may write a book or two, but at most, they'll be recommended reading, not required.
screw the troll, brenda ... deb or no deb. you were right. that was veering off in a bad direction.i'm glad you took the reins and made sure teh crazy® didn't get out of hand.and yeah. that's how blind dates usually go (unless you're in a hollywood movie). they're nice, harmless, and not someone you'd really want to spend a lot of time with.glad it wasn't a total disaster for you.and yay! you're back today!
i am seriously the totally weird kid who always claps off beat.it's 3:20 here and the dog is lying at my feet begging to go out for a walk. and as i said earlier, the spell checker/co-dog walker is off golfing with his buddies. dang it.just when we were getting a good crowd in the room.save some pinot grigio for me, please! i'll be back.
I have to disagree that no one could sockpuppet Deb on us. Any of us here can do a great Deb imitation. All we have to do is channel the inner idiot. (Not the creepy sex offender deb).Maybe that should be our next contest? A DebDrag Show?
Joe,On Frisch's framing for effect, you don't know how right you are.
When she's framing her positive outlook, it's not "write a significant book on decision science" or even "find a best friend/lover to spend my life with." Her positive outlook is being that idiot yapper Colbert's *sidekick*! Maybe she's trying to set up an insanity defense -- or a disability claim.
Blizzardlane, I said awhile back that she was going for PTSD from BDS. She said as much in one of her posts that all this started going bad when she went to Washington after not getting tenure.
I apologize in advance for the length of this post (I think with this I've used up my comment allotment at DHD for the day).I agree that her behavior is way beyond acceptable and that she shouldn't be teaching in her current state. However, it does look like she has published more than just her dissertation (I'll put a few references I found in about 30 seconds of searching at the end of this email). Also, being on a panel at the NSF that decides who gets grant money is something you can't do without a respectable background in your particular field. These "truths" are part of what makes this sad and, undoubtedly for those who know her and care about her, frustrating. She is intelligent and has been productive in the past. Something in her present is keeping her from being that person now. Maybe it's mental illness, maybe it's substance abuse. I really don't know. Written in the state she's in now the book would likely be useless, but she has written things in the past which continue to be cited in the field. I'm sure its hard for her to accept the discordance between her past success and her present failures.Jones, S.K., Yurak, T.J. & Frisch, D. (1997). The effect of outcome information on the evaluation and recall of individuals’ own decisions. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 71, 95–120.Baron, J. & Frisch, D. (1994). Ambiguous probabilities and the paradoxes of expected utility. In G. Wright and P. Ayton (Eds.), Subjective Probability. Chichester, U.K.: Wiley, 273-294.Frisch, D. & Clemen, R. T. (1994). Beyond expected utility: Rethinking behavioral decision research. Psychological Bulletin, 116, 46-54. Frisch, D. (1993). Reasons for framing effects. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 54, 399-429.Frisch, D. & Jones, S.K. (1993). Assessing the accuracy of decisions. Theory and Psychology, 3, 115–135.Frisch, D. & Baron, J. (1988). Ambiguity and rationality. Journal of Behavioral Decision Making. 1, 149-157
Just stopping in to check if the DebCon Meter needs adjustment.For the record, I think "warriordumot" is really Dr. Deb. THe IP comes from you jean and the ISP is the same. A power outage can could explain the slight difference in IPs since last month.A DebDrag Show? Man, now that's an idea!
Yeah, but in the words of Janet Jackson "What have you done for me lately?"
mariposa - you are just so nice. What are you doing hanging around with a disreputable crowd like this?! %)I stand corrected on Frischfries publishing record. It's a shame she was once productive in her chosen field and now is...what she is.
Mariposa:You left out the one that started out "Dear Penthouse, I never thought it would happen to me..."
Good afternoon, folks.Hoo boy...I take a day off from here to deal with the vagaries of meatspace and miss all the excitement.A splendid job of troll-drubbing was done last night; well done, kids. Remind me to never, ever tick any of you off.I'm still not totally convinced that warriordumot is really who it claims to be; I'm inclined to think she'd use a name more like guerrierdumot rather than something in pidgin French.After all, she has a pee aitch dee.OTOH, teh vileness which it spewed is more than a little redolent of Deb ; many of you have made a good case it is actually she.On one of the Friday night threads, it requested a "Turing test", to which I responded in a nasty (even for me) manner but it had apparently already vacated. Or chickened out.Aah...sweet mystery of teh crazy.Hmmm...I just saw Sinner's last post re ISPs (hope the move's nearly completed, bub!); I may have to revise my thinking.I'm all in favor of a DebDrag contest, tho.Mariposa - Nice job of intertube sleuthing!
Who caught the Son of Sam comment over at the cybercircus?
back from the dog walk. yes, it was was a fairly short one (barely an hour).while i was gone, brenda so nicely said:I stand corrected on Frischfries publishing record. It's a shame she was once productive in her chosen field..."productive in her chosen field."B phree king S.there are enough of us here who know just exactly what publishing in various places means with regard to the sanity of any pee aitch dee (and brenda, i daresay, you are most likely one of them).it means nothing.the fact that she actually published in the past means nothing with regard to the aims of this site. she was as crazy when she published the stuff posted by mariposa (no offense butterfly) as she is now (and no, i don't have to read it to know that it's total s**t...)heck. i bet she'll publish a paper somewhere sometime in the future spinning this entire episode to her advantage.anybody ready to take a bet?
Now, when I wayback her CV as in here and then I compare it to Jonathan Baron's at Penn here, I notice that she mentions work with him a lot, and he doesn't mention her at all. I also notice she has published nothing of substance in about a decade, so her slide was well before Bush Derangement Syndrome set in.
heck. i bet she'll publish a paper somewhere sometime in the future spinning this entire episode to her advantage.anybody ready to take a bet?Not I, OttavaRima; I've been thinking that for a couple of weeks, myself.Perhaps it'll get her on Coal Bear's show.
OttavaRima,No offense, but getting a book published is no small task. I have 2 currently on the shelves and both were much harder to get past the publisher than they were to write.I commend her on getting published. I also urge her to finish her work and start the task of shopping for publishers.Beating on #$%(#(# publishers would be a much better use of her "talents" than beating up a 2 year old.
She's already spinning like a top - she's let us know in no uncertain terms that we are all idiots compared to her ever-so-superior self.What could such dummies have to say that is of any importance at all?
Hey Fatwa:I think it is her. The language that she uses when beginning a fight, the tendency not to read or comprehend previous comments in the thread, and the pidgin french seal it for me. And that the troll thinks we're all as obsessed with Jeff Goldstein as she is, equating someone ELSE's rendering of the Count with his approval of pedophilia is the exclamation point.Anyway, I believe it's her. She saves the teh crazy® goofy spelling for her jester rants on her site, not the rabid attacks on other comment boards.
no offense taken, sinner.but it's a lot easier to get crap published when you have a pee aitch dee than when you don't.that don't make it decent.
Sure would be funny if Deb thought she was getting overtures from some of those media types she craves attention from.Is John Henry in the house? lol
Anyway, I believe it's her.Joe, You and several others have made good arguments that it is Deb. And I'd say Sinner's info regarding the ISP damn near cinches it. Consider me a convert.
Perhaps it's just me but, frankly, I'm at a complete loss when it comes to determining precisely what differentiates Deborah Frisch from a considerable number of people in this country.
Thanks, mariposa.As Sinner said a few posts back, each of us is here for our own reasons. Whether she publishes textbooks or regular books, I don't care. She's not going to write for Psych 101, so I'm less worried about The Children in that sense. And since the existence of a text doesn't automatically make it required reading, I trust the marketplace of ideas - it won't be used if it doesn't have something to offer.So I hope she writes, and I hope she writes well.What she writes when she's "word warrior" is inane, childish crap, and I'm also here to annihilate that diseased persona. It doesn't deserve to live, and it will not.Detach yourself from the Word Warrior, Deb, because its days are numbered. Save yourself from the day of devastation to come. "Word Warrior," you're in the crosshairs now; there is no escape. I'm gonna go straight-up Nagasaki on your ass. There won't even be a shadow left on the irradiated wall after I'm done with you. There's an entire Norton Anthology of poetry I haven't begun to aim at you yet, scheisskopf. I have not yet begun to mock. I've got your number, and I'm gonna keep on dialing.Army of Davids...forward, march. Sow salt in the fields. "dicto" delenda est.
Fred:Her opinions and how she justifies their rationale are not unique, nor especially rare. All you have to do is see the comments on DailyKos and Democratic Underground to see her thoughts, spelling, and punctuation reproduced hundreds of times. Any teenage townie can put the 2 cents in to get the approval of the gibbering mob.She needs to concentrate on writing up to her education level and not devolve as she usually does on the Decision Management Listserv bulletin board.Really, she needs to just stop tick tacking away on her laptop about stuff that keeps getting her in trouble.But if she did that, well, we wouldn't be here, now. Ah well, let's see how long teh cycle® keeps repeating.
Mostly I'm here because I like everyone and I can occasionally go hammer and tongs on a willfully ignorant creep.What separates her from most people is her apparent complete inability to learn that actions have predictable results. Lots of people do things that are obnoxious, evil or just wrong but they learn that there will be -- they may continue the wrong behavior but they are aware that if caught they will pay a price. Frischbreath appears to really, truly believe that if she wishes hard enough and clicks her heels three times (while ranting her peculiar brand of 'reason') then it'll all go her way.A total inability to learn from experience is rare.
learn that there will be consequencesI must use preview. I must use preview. Repeat to self as necessary.
ok sinner. call me drunk (or mellow). which, perhaps i am, because it's late on a sunday afternoon, and i HAVE had three glasses of chilled white wine, but, which of these do you consider a published book:Jones, S.K., Yurak, T.J. & Frisch, D. (1997). The effect of outcome information on the evaluation and recall of individuals’ own decisions. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 71, 95–120.Baron, J. & Frisch, D. (1994). Ambiguous probabilities and the paradoxes of expected utility. In G. Wright and P. Ayton (Eds.), Subjective Probability. Chichester, U.K.: Wiley, 273-294.Frisch, D. & Clemen, R. T. (1994). Beyond expected utility: Rethinking behavioral decision research. Psychological Bulletin, 116, 46-54.Frisch, D. (1993). Reasons for framing effects. Organizational Behavior and Human Decision Processes, 54, 399-429.Frisch, D. & Jones, S.K. (1993). Assessing the accuracy of decisions. Theory and Psychology, 3, 115–135.Frisch, D. & Baron, J. (1988). Ambiguity and rationality. Journal of Behavioral Decision Making. 1, 149-157as far as i know (granted, i'm admitting i've had some wine) there ain't a published book among them, and there's only one for which she was the only author.what's she's done (publishing in various journals with her degree) ain't so hard to do, as any pee aitch dee will attest to (anybody want to get into a pissing match with a grammarian about ending a sentence with a preposition?)sinner, if you have actual published books (which i can believe) then you have accomplished something admirable; because you're right. that is no easy task.but what mariposa listed was a series of journal pubs to which any pee aitch dee would be expected to contribute in order to keep a job.that ain't nuthin' special.
I swore I wasn't going to post about Deb's publishing record again, but I obviously lied to myself.Publishing can vary greatly between academic fields and within academic fields. I can't speak for the quality of most of the journals Deb published in (decision science is not my area of psychology), but I can tell you that getting published in Psychological Bulletin isn't easy, with or without a Ph.D. This is a well-respected journal that had an impact factor of 6.697 for 1994 (when Deb published) and was ranked 3rd out of 97 General Psychology journals for strength of impact factor that year. Getting through the peer review process and published in that journal would have taken work. Her work has been cited by authors and is often listed as either required reading for courses or suggested reading for people who want to learn about this area of psychology. I haven't read this particular manuscript, but I feel fairly safe stating that it isn't complete bulls**t given the quality of the journal it is published in, the fact that has been cited by other authors multiple times, etc.I didn't bring any of this up because I think her publishing record makes Deb a good person, excuses what she did, or because I want people to like her. I brought it up because it makes it so much more of a loss that she has descended to where she is now. Based on her life's timeline it looks like this part of her life entered the downward spiral around the time she was denied tenure (probably not a coincidence).I don't think she has much of a chance of re-entering the academic world, there's way too much baggage. That baggage and her present hideous behavior don't change the fact that at one point in time she produced good work which continues to be relevant in the field (even if she isn't).I didn't think the point of this website was to bash Deb's past academic productivity. I thought it was about making sure that her present behavior doesn't go unnoticed and that she has to answer to prospective employers for her actions. I know that if I was in a Psychology Dept considering hiring her (even as adjunct) and I read this site when I googled her name I would do everything I could to make sure she didn't get hired.
Ottavarima- This reference is a chapter in a published book. Baron, J. & Frisch, D. (1994). Ambiguous probabilities and the paradoxes of expected utility. In G. Wright and P. Ayton (Eds.), Subjective Probability. Chichester, U.K.: Wiley, 273-294.It means that the Editors (Wright and Ayton) asked the authors to controbute to the book.As far as publishing as a solo author is concerned, that is NOT the norm in psychology. Solo authorship papers are generally written by established researchers. With multiple authors, first and last are the most important. Deb seems to have these covered. Also, this is not a representative sample, I don't even know if it's a complete list. Just something I found when I did a quick search on a whim while using a database for completely unrelated purposes.
I think the point here is that, while Debee may have always been obnoxious, she did in fact have a functioning and productive life at one point.We may not think too highly of her product, but it did exist and was valued by someone. She's blown that all to kingdom come and there's probably no coming back.So, yeah, I can feel sad for the life circumstances AND still think the wymyn is a waste of precious oxygen.
BrendaYou are right on the mark with..."A total inability to learn from experience is rare." It is also the defining point that differentiates what we call "bad behavior" from criminal behavior.At least one judge has heard a complaint of criminal behavior and another has heard a complaint of bad behavior. As Joe says, Deb is framing the bad behavior argument and ignoring the elephant in the room...criminal behavior (except for silently deleting posts).I frankly don't care what she has published, for whom or when. As a father of three kids, she shows all the signs of being a predator.
Joe,I'm not sure I even want her "writing up to her educational level." I've gone back and read some of the archived posts on her blog. She ostensibly doesn't believe individuals are competent enough to make their own decisions. Apparently, that's where she comes in. That she could hold such a position as the NSF gig, even for a short time, speaks volumes, in my opinion. She lost that job not because her views were seen as extreme but because she has absolutely no manners and is essentially an insufferable jerk.Brenda,I can't help but think a great deal of the cluelessness you describe is a direct result of her having functioned in a left-wing echo chamber for virtually all of her adult life. In other words, it's not so much that she doesn't recognize actions have consequences as it is that she doesn't believe she's done anything wrong to begin with. Remember, Goldstein, to her, is not human.
not only is it nothing special that she's had some pubs, but what about the fact that there is only one article listed of which she is the only author?i know we VBSers are sweet people in our souls (my friends say that of me). but don't give credit where it's not due.why do you think she never got tenure? it's not because she's a lesbian.she has spent her entire academic career glomming off other people, just as she's glomming off teh phunnee of this site.did you never notice the way she tried to steal "tw" from JG?she's an intellectual thief who's never had an original thought in her life. and i bet my new rav4 every letter of her contribution to those past journal pubs was in some way stolen. get in touch with her co-authors and see what they say.seriously. prove me wrong and come to north carolina to pick up the keys of my rav4.
cuz, you know, this site is all about me.Even Deb thinks so. and her name is in the title.
Sulla! Sulla! Sulla!Yeah, she keeps mentioning you, and I've only got one quote [sniff]No dancin' monkey love.Which is different than get-down gorilla jungle love.Kelly/Ottavrima: can I talk to Cybil?
did you mean sybil, joe? she's here too. let me find her.but wherever she is, it doesn't take away from the fact that dr. deb didn't get tenure for a reason.let's not try to go back to her past and find something good there that she's sunk from.mariposa, i admire your efforts to find something good here.but it doesn't exist. never did.she's crazy now and always has been.
Sulla, Sulla, Sulla!GoooooooOOOOO, Sulla! (waving pom-poms)We love you, Sulla!
Best of Deb: She believes that teaching children religion, and expecially Christianity, is child abuse warrenting the removal of said children from the custody of their parents.She's a special grrl, Deb is.
Thanks, Joe and Brenda!Yeesh. I'm such a compliment whore. :)Ottovarima, either you got full-on plagiarized, or you, um, double-posted as Kelly.Sockmuppets are encouraged, but are also encouraged to not break character. :)
Ottovarima, either you got full-on plagiarized, or you, um, double-posted as Kelly.Sockmuppets are encouraged, but are also encouraged to not break character. :)that damned deb!ha. yeah. don't know how that happened. who's kelly? never heard of him.
If it takes a village to raise a child, G_d help the good people of Eugene.
"The cheerleaders suggest that we go so I'm going. THE CHEERLEADERS' PLAN IS WORKING!"Crow T. RobotMystery Science Theater 3000Boggy Creek II: The Legend Continues
The part of me appealing to Deb's better angels (the ones cowering in the locked closet, applying the lotion to its skin) doesn't want her to dwell too much on the past.Focus on the skills she's got. If they weren't up to snuff before, make them so now.If we give her no route to escape her self-made hell, then she's got three options right now: jail, asylum, and grave. The only person I actually WISH that closed-option fate on is Osama. I want Deb to believe in, and shoot for, Door Number Four.That "Beautiful Mind" guy was a full-fledged schizophrenic, and a despicable person in a lot of ways. but he still found a way to exist in society, eventually, and contribute in an area where he had expertise.The Word Warrior has no right to exist. But Deborah Frisch, Ph.D. does, if she divorces herself from that nasty, brutish, bullying dumbass persona before a judge pronounces sentence.
Sulla:I knew that was you!Ottavarima: Sybil? No, I meant Cybill Shepherd. Back in 1988 (same year as Frisch's earliest published paper), she was hot! ROWR! Do you know where she is? Does she have the keys to Kelly's RAV4?
And Mariposa,Granted, she has a substantial “publishing” history, but as Sinner notes, that’s a long way from convincing a publisher to publish your work. I suspect the only paying customer for Deb’s work is the federal government.And that hypothesis leads to another thought…if she were to stop today, get a free pass from both courts in which she is a civil and criminal defendant, what are her employment options?Education: She didn’t get tenure and didn’t take the hint. So undergraduate and post graduate positions are highly unlikely. Adjunct is also unlikely also when she has to answer this question on the app: What was your previous position and reasons for leaving? So let’s step down a notch: secondary education. Not likely given the Charge of harassment and stalking…never mind that it might be dismissed, the charge remains and no superintendent or private school president will risk his/her very high paying job on that. Middle School, elementary etc. …I won’t go there.So let’s consider a career change.Banking/Financial: No way…one google search and it’s over.Marketing/Sales: She would not survive a minute in a sales manager’s office.Production/Manufacturing: Can’t imagine it given the tight supervision and oversight.Consulting: Who are the clients? What are they buying?Counseling: Interesting given the Penn degree but this area is highly dependent on referrals even if she were to get beyond the interview and licensing.Realtor: Requires years of hard work before it pays off (work that is radically different from academic work). Past employment history indicates problems with that.Artist/Performing Arts: Well, we know she aspires to this but there’s one problem. This job description also goes by the name of Waiter/Waitress/Bartender. And I’m disparaging those jobs (the first job I had was as a bus boy in a restaurant), but we know they are temporary gigs (in the minds of the artists) on the road to the dream. I just can’t see Deb waiting on tables or customers because…there is a manager to report to. And he probably does not have a Penn PhD.Dog Kennel/ Vet Assistant: This one has possibilities if the background check is clear.Any other ideas for a job from you guys?
IF she divorces herself from that nasty, brutish, bullying dumbass persona before a judge pronounces sentence.exactly right, sulla.wonder if she will? will being the key word. as is choice.john nash was truly ill.deb is just a nasty, horrible person who has chosen over and over and over to walk down a nasty, horrible path.
as in, I live in a van, down by the river
okay. kelly here. no, i mean ottavarima.no, kelly. no really ottavarima.crap. where are the keys to the suv? i need to get gas before the prices go up.really. i need to drive to seattle to see cybil.
yoda! yes!signedkellyno, ottavarimano really, kellyshut up, you idiot, it's ottavarima
Crash test dummy?
Our Deb seems to have some resources so maybe dog-walker or veterinary assistant wouldn't be bad for her, if she could tolerate the people. All dogs would of course love her more than they love their own owners; I can see her telling someone that.
hell no. i wouldn't let her within 100 feet of my dog.take that off the list.
As in, KA-BLAMO!
blizzardlane -Pursuant to her previous posts, I could see each dog being the angel of another mystical, magical convergence of vortex-driven synchronicity.Then, they would start talking to her. Parked couples would do well to beware in Eugene, OR.
I vote for lawncare specialist. She's got 5 acres to take care of, she must know something about it.
aside from academic publishing, there's nonacademic publishing, where notoriety can be marketable. think how many siblings or friends of murder victims or murder suspects get published, just because they have some name recognition and proximity to the perp/victim.Politics: if Cindy Sheehan can attract a moonbat crowd, there's room for Deb. She pairs the eloquence of Maxine Waters with the common sense of Ted Kennedy's liver. (In some circles, that's actually deemed a GOOD thing.) she's loud enough, she's mean enough, and there's a class of political moron that is more than willing to use cannon fodder like her until they're no longer useful.STANDUP: her writing tells me she's terrible at it, but she's also said she did almost exclusively open mic nights. I'm not bragging, but I did standup in smaller markets for years; even headlined a few times. I even opened for Margaret Cho once. (Yeah, I got more laughs.)NOBODY does a background check on comics working smaller clubs. As Bobby Slayton used to say, "I could shoot heroin onstage and I'd still get work as a comic." she'll never get rich at it, but you'd be amazed at how many truly unfunny hacks make enough to live on as comics.And besides - there is no such thing as an unemployed comedian. we're just "between gigs."Given the right crowd, even she probably gets the occasional laugh.poet: see standup comic.no job: if her parents are well enough off and infinitely patient, she can probably continue without a steady job and won't end up on the street. that would let her dabble in a variety of things.volunteer work: again, if she's got her basics subsidized, she could work for nothing, helping those less fortunate.If only temporarily, that might be the best thing for her, which is why "community service" is a popular option in nonfelony cases.
Yoda- I don't think she has much of a chance getting her book published. Academic publishing houses would want to see more book chapters and manuscipt publications. Plus, the book itself would go out for review by others in the field before final publication. She's angered enough people through the listserv that I''m sure every miniscule flaw would be pointed out to the publisher (assuming she recovers enough from what is affecting her to only have miniscule flaws).Counseling would only be a future career option if her Ph.D. from Penn is in Clinical Psychology. It's more likely she graduated from a different graduate program. She would have to re-specialize in either a clinical or counseling Ph.D./Psy.D. program which would involve an application and interview process. She'd never get accepted.Right now a future that doesn't involve her stalking, harassing or threatening others sounds like a good goal. Add running a dog kenneling/boarding business to the suggested list. She has all that land after all.
And i should take Brenda's advice and read Preview. I meant to say I'm not disparaging those jobs (Waiter/Waitress/Bartender) ...particularly bartender
Waitressing is honorable enough even for Deb.It helped put me through college, after all.
Joe,I don't know about THAT. A while back I saw a movie entitled Dead Alive where the hero completely shreds a whole army of zombies with a lawn mower. (By the way, that movie was directed by Peter Jackson.)
SullaShe pairs the eloquence of Maxine Waters with the common sense of Ted Kennedy's liverThat phrase is rich with irony and oxymoron. So we have Maxine Water(s) with the common sense of Ted "swimmer" Kennedy. What if we turned that into a word puzzle? Liver? None. Water.Yes. Common sense? none. Liver (again).None. Whew, I need Pat Sajak or Vanna to help me with this.And "Eloquence" ?...let's leave that up to Mary Joe.
NO DOGS.she's not allowed near dogs.seriously.
rabbit, back me up here. i know you love your animals.
I out-cryptic'd Yoda?The Force is strong in this one. :)
ottavarima -You know she's looking to get another dog. Someone should probably warn the local shelter.
Brenda,check your blog; I posted a comment there for you.It's a little bit cloak and dagger, a little bit junior high. Mainly, just exercising a little caution.
How about the temperance of Cynthia McKinney with the volume control of Howard Dean?
joeschmoe1of3 says: "Sulla! Sulla! Sulla!Yeah, she keeps mentioning you, and I've only got one quote [sniff]No dancin' monkey love."Hey, just think how I feel - not one freakin' mention on teh crazy site. I'm crushed.BTW: I go away for the weekend & don't check in and look what happens: mega doses of teh crazy. JG's lawyer is going to have fun catching up on Monday. The second hearing on the retraining order (if that's even true) is gonna be interesting. Hey Deb - I'd stay out of Colorado if I were you.yearning for recognition,openacanatuna
You know she's looking to get another dog. Someone should probably warn the local shelter.brenda, no kidding.i say we start lobbying our local shelters to check the internet before adopting dogs out to pee aitch dees.
Sulla -Ok, done.
BrendaSo close to brilliance you are when said you:"I live in a van, down by the river "It reminds me of "Out of Africa" by Isak Denisen.The first sentence of the book is " I had a farm in Africa,at the foot of the Ngong Hills" Perfect meter.Deb is spinning when we are brilliant without trying.
Sulla -BTW, do you want for me to remove your comment on my blog now?
Yoda -I get no credit on that one. I nicked the whole idea from Saturday Night Live.
Tuna! Tuna! Tuna!I still don't know how she homed in on Sulla. She finally gave an endorsement to our resident first responder with a lame "hosedinger." And "thinner" was supposed to be a slap too? [2 and a half eye rolls]I can figure out her vocab and the references, but I just can't figure out her fixations. Which is one of the reasons I'm still drawn to teh frischwreck®.
Didn't she close comments? I just can't keep track anymore.----------------------------Comments: pascal, mill & bohrDebQuit lying about what happened at the Denver RO hearing.---What I said is the exact truth. I was not there but I talked to my lawyer briefly from the courthouse after the appearance before the judge.Posted by Van at August 27, 2006 01:58 PM
Mariposa -She's been told often enough that moderating the comments is costing her. When the hits go down, teh crazee® will rachet back up and the comments will be opened again.And so it goes.
if it's still there. I did trashcan it, but "blogger beta..."
I just figured it was my dashing good looks, acerbic wit, and my nightly broadcast, The Colbert Report, on Comedy Central.What, you think my people don't pay attention? I've had my eye on her as a potential guest for some time now.
sulla -It was just like magic! One moment I could see it, then it was just gone!This is a sign/portent/omen, I'm just sure of it. I'll probably win the lottery now.
I'm a word ninja. :)
Well, I just got back from real life & I've been reading to catch up.The only way she should be allowed near dogs is if they hire her to pooper-scoop the dog park.The jobs ya'll suggested are good for normal, humble, people trying to make an honest living. Deb wouldn't take them because they are "beneath" her.I think her next career will be stamping out license plates for $0.12 an hour or making leather wallets in Ocupational Tehrapy on alternate afternoons.
ottavarima -I just love it when a pompous, self-appointed expert-twit gets his butt handed to her.You go, girl!
and brendaK, you KNOW what i'm talkin' about, dontcha!what i can't get over is what the hell she was doing over there on my little two post .. (oh wait, three because the dog's photo is there) blog.i have visited all of my fellow VBSers sites, because i like you, though i haven't commented on all them yet.but what kind of freaking loser comes to a place she isn't wanted and finds the very very very most obscure site possible and bothers to post?chell-with-a-stick-up-her/his-ass. that's who.
Ottavarima:I agree with you on target="_blank"I use it on every link on my blog, except if I want the user to browse other entries. Hold 'em down in one place. I saw Chell's "site," and she could use a consultant, or three.
Wouldn't you hate to be Debbie & your only "friend" is Chell? LOL
don't forget "anonymous."If Chell is Katie Couric, anonymous is Paul Friggin Begala.
oh i am laf fink so hard!but seriously. i have to go take a bottle of wine to the neighbors because they fed the cats while we were gone to beach last weekend.but i'll be back.olive u, my VBS support group. you make a working sunday fun.
anonymous is Deb. I've answered back 'anonymous' comments but addressed the comment to Deb (i.e., Deb -)And Miss Debee has responded. anonymous is Deb in pea haitch dee mode.
They fed the cats a bottle of wine?
MariposaYou found my post on her site. I wasn't even going to look there so thanks for the update. Confession: Yoda is Van on SWP.Here is my reply in case the censor gets me:Deb,You said on DHD,"Yikes. The August 15 court date was a formality to schedule a real hearing in November. The judge was not impressed at the idea of a restraining order against someone Mr. Goldstein had never met or talked to on the phone."You said on SWP"What I said is the exact truth. I was not there but I talked to my lawyerWhat I said is the exact truth. I was not there but I talked to my lawyer briefly from the courthouse after the appearance before the judge.."Well...Deb, nice try.So is that what your lawyer told you? What exactly did he tell you?And the phrase.." I was not there but I talked to my lawyer briefly from the courthouse after the appearance before the judge.." Is that what the transcript will say?Or did your lawyer plead for time to respond because you only hired him the Thursday before the next Tuesday hearing date? You know Deb, lawyers hate having s--t thrown at them at the last minute. Why? Because, unlike you , they have reputations to protect and they have to do business in front of those same judges every day.And BTW, did you ask the judge to allow you to testify via phone?This is all on the public record so consider it carefully before you respond.Deb, read my previous posts and dates (if you haven't deleted them) to you so you can see that I have not attacked you on your site but rather have offered good advice.I'm waiting to see if you post this one.Van
If Deb IS anonymous, then she succeeded in fooling me.I found anonymous to be an anti-semitic idiot and just as intractable in his/her indefensible positions as Deb, but anonymous at least had the virtue of not being completely unhinged.if that is her, then she's a true sociopath.
She usually came on as anonymous to address something someone said after she made her first response.I guess running a blog at the LA Times is another potential job of which she has frished herself.
BrendaK asserts;"I can occasionally go hammer and tongs on a willfully ignorant creep." Heh-heh-heh! Doinking the Frischster is like shootin' dairy cows with a deer rifle...it's mildly entertaining, but not really challenging. Regards;
Yoda: Interestingly enough, it is actually far more difficult to obtain a elementary/middle/secondary school teaching position than it is a college-level position, at least in the extra-academic requirements. Every state I am familiar with requires secondary and lower level teachers to have (and maintain) a state or national teaching certification, which is not a small thing to obtain, and of course, is not required at the college level. My own state also has a professional standards commission,who reviews every certification every five years, specifically looking for criminal or moral turpitude issues (you "voluntarily" submit to this, and pay for the privilage to boot, in order to keep working).Most private schools require this as well (in some cases they also require additional certifications from other agencies as well), so obtaining any classroom position is considered about a 1/2 to full year-long effort (and truly insane amounts of paperwork). I was thinking about DebStick when I remembered that every such position I applied for required handwritten essays on various topics, which in her present state of impairment is probably the deal-killer. I would love to be on the school board that recieved a debonics essay in her application, followed by death threats and threats to sue when we returned the application with 72 point NO! stamped all over it.Ottavarima et al: I must agree with your points about the difficulty of publishing books (I have two in print and a third due out next month); it requires both a great deal of sustained effort and not a little luck to get the first one accepted and published commerically. Academic publishing has less demanding standards (they are not expecting to sell many copies, unlike in for-profit commercial publishing), but there is the steeper hill of more peer-reviewing accepted and expected. I also know, firsthand, that knowing folks in the publishing world and having at least a minimally decent reputation in your field is the key to remaining publishable. In DebStick's case, there's always Vantage Press or Xlibris, I suppose.Brenda: I just gotta say that every time I see your posts, it reminds me of the overwhelming crush I had on Ms. Starr when I was a lad. Thanks for the warm memories (I'm quite proud of myself, I started to say "mammaries", but caught myself in time! Except, uh, just now.), and your equally warm wit and charm. JtB
Rabbit:I guess running a blog at the LA Times is another potential job of which she has frished herself.Nice... very nice!
John - thank you, sir!rabbit - good one. The NYT probably won't hire her either - too much of a creepy Jayson Blair vibe.
They fed the cats a bottle of wine?i hate to admit it, but the cats are bigger winos than i am. learned behavior and all that. nature vs. nurture.however, i will say they prefer the sweeter sauvignon blanc, where i like a really dry chardonnay.wa wa wait!anonymous is deb in disguise? oh man! don't spring this on me 40 minutes before the next grey's anatomy rerun!geez. now i'm gonna have to go back over there and re-read a bunch of comments.sheesh.maybe i'll just take y'all's word for it. you are VBSers after all.
new thread on main page.we've reached a record on this one. impressive.
great line, rabbit!
Yoda- Thanks for posting your response to Deb. It's interesting to see what she does and does not see fit to publish in the comments section. Plus I don't need to go over there often when people cross-post the comments here.
Plus I don't need to go over there often when people cross-post the comments here.---Yes! Thank you sinner for serving as the mouse trap to attract all the vermin away from south(west)paw!You rock, sinner. U reelee du.
JohnYou have made my point quite well. The younger the age of the students, the higher the standards of the applicants. So what does that say about our system of education?As Sinner noted, I am frankly much more concerned with the posibility of a "Deb" teaching in a college setting than in elementary school because I know the elementary school is better prepared to reject her.
despote de la remarque éventée:yeah, you had a real Algonquin Round Table thing going before we came along.Does the monkey channel Eugene O'Neill?
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