Saturday, September 02, 2006

Stupid Atrios. These things are addictive.



At 2:31 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

I win.

First time.

At 2:31 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

I should have actually said something. It would have been better.

At 2:32 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

I have to be at the computer.

But you guys don't.

Go. See the sun.

Tell me what it looks like.

I've heard it's pretty.

At 2:33 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Wow, Sulla. My grandparents came to America from Ireland and somehow settled in Idaho.... then Nebraska... came to AZ for two pursposes - with the Church and because my GF had tuberculosis. There are streets in Mesa and Phoenix with my family's names - thought that was normal for everyone, ha ha ha ha. Later, went to a TOWN with our name - started asking questions and the rest is history.

My father seperated from the church , converted to the Baptist faith - became ordained. My Uncle stayed with the church and that is the side of my family that is LDS and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah!

My cousin, Parley served his mission in Brazil - other cousin Eric was in Korea!!! Now, he is Air Force - back from Korea (with AF) and stationed at Hickam.

I am rambling...

Hawk: I go there often also... have you ever visited Sgt. Hook's site? He is a harbringer of nothing but good news... as is Major John.

At 2:36 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

I did see the Sun Sulla.

I sent all afternoon using the new Binford 2000 7.5HP 7800psi pressure washer to do my desk for mamahawk.

I was going to do the roof, but I thought since it was th efirst time I used it, it would be safer on the ground the first time.

And the sun was HOT.

At 2:36 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

... the sun is pretty Sulla. It is beautiful. Unfortunately, it is too hot to go outside and stare right at it, in fact I've been warned against doing that.

Working on my HOA website (long over due) so I'm kinda stuck here too. It is bittersweet.

Hawk - I should have actually said something. It would have been better. it was perfect.

At 2:37 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

No pixie do you have a link?

At 2:39 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Yes sir, I do.


At 2:40 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Hook just moved - he doesn't post like he USED to because he is very busy (ahem) but when he does, it is so very, very, very worth reading.

At 2:50 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

Bookmarked! I cjheck him out later.

I notice you said the hubbie was HHC Brigade. Me too. I just left a Battalion SP job about 4 months ago and it's a little hard getting used to it. I a Brigade SP now and I'm not with the guys I served with in Iraq. We're all the still the same unit but the day to day working together is gone.

I was 18TH Aviation Brigade in the 1-159TH Aviation Battalion before. When we got back from Iraq last time, the assets from the 18TH was all sucked up by 82ND CAB.

We're gigantic!

At 2:51 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

(just in case otta misses this on the other thread)

and RZ, contrary to what you seem to believe, i am NOT trying to start a flame war. i think i have invited you at least twice to discuss this offline ... no flames intended.

Let me state "for the record" that my hesitation here has nothing to do with you (or anyone else here). It has to do with prior experiences (burn me once etc. etc.)

You have been calm, reasonable and eloquent. I appreciate and admire that.

It's just, as I've said, I've been on this road before - I'm a little gun-shy (and only because I don't want to bring dissention and fights to this site. In other settings, though. . .)

At 2:51 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

I'll check...

At 2:51 PM, Blogger Texette said...

I am just a born thread-killer. By the time I post everyone's moved on.

Precis of post at end of last thread: Hi! Bye! Be Safe!

Re: email
Sorry, ASAP.

At 2:54 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

Unfortunately the sun isn't visible here. Too much rain, too many coulds, temperature in the low-mid 60's. I WISH I could see the sun.

Pixie and hawksp- you should also check out the greyhawks at Mudville Gazette if it isn't a regular read. They just moved also (from Germany) and posting has been light. At the top of the page is a link to "Milblog" Headquarters which I would also recommend checking out.

At 2:54 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

dadGUM, you people are fast, triskey, VBSers!

and this is the last i'm going to post on this, i SWEAR!!! i promise.

from hawk:

Number one, as listed homosexuality is not listed in the 10 commandments.

Number two, it "is" discribed as an abomination in Leviticus.

Number three, I wish people weren't that way, but I would never wish to interfere with a lifestyle someone chooses to live.

Number Four, even if it were proven by scripture to be sin, Jesus told us that all sin is equal.

But in my heart, I do not believe God looks well upon it.

#1 exactly

#2 i wish people would read the book i read (The Children Are Free), which looks at these so called "crystal clear condemning passages" from a legal, exegetical, historical perspective. i am in no way able to explain it as well as the authors of the book. but even if you don't want to buy it, if this is a subject that interests you, i'm sure it's in the library.

#3 sure

#4 that is exactly right, brother. and there's a lot more scriptural condemnation for divorce and hate and pride than there is for homosexuality.

last point ... i'm not sure how i feel about that, either. all i know is that we live in a fallen world and my own life (a single woman, by choice, well into her childbearing years) would have been considered an abomination by biblical standards even 30 years ago.

At 2:55 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

I can't believe I left the link off. Sorry.

At 2:56 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

link mari?

At 2:57 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Well, all your other religions are screwed. Nothing beats a Catholic get together. As Joe will is not an officilally sanctioned Catholic event, unless there is an open bar and everyone is getting sloshed...especially the Priests. That whoops on a BBQ anyday.

And if you didn't find that humorous, you need to take a deep breath. It was meant as a joke...except the open bar thing. That is true.

At 2:58 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

While I've been listening to crickets at the new thread y'all have been here...

Yes... Parley, Pratt, Standage, Dixon, Flake and Dana... I'm one-a-them. LOL!

I'm taking this to the new thread in case Sulla misses it.

Oh, and Sulla - the Baptist pot lucks were always better than the LDS potlucks... those southerners can COOK! ROFLMAO - harmless snarky.

*embracing you*.

ETTE: you are NOT - they were over "there" (the other thread).

Hawk - T misses being a Platoon Leader (is that what it's called?) He loved that. I know he is feeling very good about being on patrol again... being in action and not just pushing paper.

I hope I hear from him soon because I think I might implode.

At 3:00 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


Have you seen the film "baptists at our barbecue?"

It's a cute little slice of home where a guy moves to a town that's almost exactly half Mormon and half Baptist, and the (mostly amusing) tensions surrounding it.

It ends well. How can it not, with Baptists doing the cooking? :)

At 3:01 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...


(Hawk says in his deep Sam The Eagle Voice) That is just not fit talk for the VBSers here. The moral degradation caused by your irresponsible words will…not….be…tolerated, Mister!”

At 3:01 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

OK...I'll shut up now.

At 3:02 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

M-kay Hose. Being Irish, I can never look at green jello again. Ever. I call it funeral jello. Nuthin' beats an Irish-Catholic wake, and that is a whole 'nuther story because I've got a bunch of those in my family too . (Irish Catholics, not wakes - though they seem to be on the upswing - proof I am aging as they do).

Ha haaaaaa...

At 3:02 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

And I would love to go outside and enjoy the day. However I am down today as I did too much yesterday and am hurting a bit

At 3:02 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


My brother married a Cambodian woman. In Cambodia.

Buddhist style.

Buddhists know how to parrrr-tay.

I'm just saying. :)

At 3:03 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Please Hawk...I am soooooo sorry. I will never mention an open bar again. Or a crab fed for that matter.

At 3:04 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Did anyone see the huge post I had on the other thread? Or did I write it for nothing?

At 3:04 PM, Blogger Paddy O'Furnijur said...

Mmmmmm - southern barbeque! Sure beats green jello and funeral potatoes.

Remember the Lutheran doctrine: wherever three or four are gathered - there's a fifth.

(all meant in jest - no offense intended)

At 3:05 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


True dat! Ha!

On a sad note: Cal down 0-7 against Tennessee in the 1st. Grr. GO BEARS!

At 3:06 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...


once again, can i say how much i appreciate what you do.

i'm sorry you're back isn't feeling well. my dog is begging to share her rymadil (sp?) with you, but i've told her i don't think it will help.

At 3:06 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

My wife is full-on Irish. She doesn't do green Jell-O, Funeral Potatoes, or Mormon Casserole (mac and cheese, can of tuna, can of mixed veggies, top with a bag of crushed-up potato chips and bake. salvate me!)

nope, nothing but the finest in Irish cuisine, sans alcohol.

At 3:06 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Oh Sulla - I have NOT. I will rent it if I can though. I fear I will relate! Ha ha ha ha ha ha. I remember wishing I could be Mormon because they had dances and pool parties and got to wear pretty (sexy? yannow, shorts) clothes. I will so find this. Thank you.

Hose - honey, I'm sorry you are hurting. Still taking the Hydrocodone? I can't sit still on that stuff - has the opposite effect on me. Makes me want to clean closets and organize drawers.

What do you want to talk about? Let us entertain you.

At 3:06 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

paddy - LOL!

At 3:07 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

Most all of the theologians that I have read and studied have stated that scripture (and what was taught from scripture) was and is quite clear about the sinfulness of homosexuality.

The great Raymond E. Brown (considered by many to be the pre-eminant New Testament scholar) supports this contention and goes into great detail concerning the translation and understanding of what Paul wrote in his first letter to the Corinthians.

He quotes the great Pauline scholar E.P. Sanders in saying that Jews condemned homosexuality "lock, stock and barrel", both "passive and active" homosexuality.

I've read and heard the arguments against these basic understandings, and they basically amount to eisegetic (starting with the conclusion and working backwards) feats of theological gymnastics (trying to argue that the Bible doesn't really say what it says, and even if it did it's still not a sin).

At 3:07 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Go Niners

At 3:07 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Right now all I do is sit on my fat ass, watch tv and surf the net.

At 3:08 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Thanks, but I'm already on Morphine and Vicodin.

and ISTILL make more sense than any Liberal. :->

At 3:08 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Remember the Lutheran doctrine: wherever three or four are gathered - there's a fifth.


At 3:09 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...


As I said, I prefer to look to what we have in common. I see your POV.

Pixie, If your hubbie was just a platoon leader and is at brigade I'm taking it he must be a commisioned officer or what we call an RLO. He'll be back down with the troops when he gets a command.

I'm doomed to brigade. Plus, I don't get a chance to fly nearly as much as I used too. I get to give a check ride about once a week these days. Even as a battalion SP I was flying almost every day.

I'm sure it's all designed to prepare you for the big boot called retirement.

At 3:11 PM, Blogger Paddy O'Furnijur said...

Read two long posts on the other thread. Can't find any major disagreement in anything you said, so why pick nits?

Life is good, the sun is shining, and I'm going up to Sunset Beach in a little while for a barbecue (CA style, not southern).

At 3:13 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

My view is this. As long as you do the best you can and cause no harm to anyone, you should be OK in the after-life. I have a problem thinking that when you die, you are unable to meet the big guy, see that you were actually wrong in your beliefs, and not be able to say "Oh crap...I was really wrong...I am really sorry" and not be forgiven. No one really and trully knows which is the right thing to do until then. After all, just because you think you are right, doesn't mean you are. Everyone thinks that their way is the right and best way. Only one person/thing knows for sure.

And if you aren't given that option in the end, if he/she/it isn't really a true and hoset, forgiving and merciful Supreme Being, then is that really what you want to believe? I like to think that I will have the chance to say "Wow, I am really sorry, I had no idea and was too humanly arrogant" if presented with being shown how wrong I was about anything. Therefore I try to live and do the best I can with the "Golden Rule" and have devoted my life to my fellow man the best that I can.

At 3:15 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Hawk, he's not my hubby yet... not that it matters, because I have never felt so married, so YES he IS.

He is SFC... (was)... was in the midst of being promoted when they deployed from Baumholder. THAT was his "beef" - as SFC he was second in the chain to be a PL? Does that make sense? The promotion would have taken that opportunity away from him.

My God. I just realized a week ago today was the last time I saw him. Dropping him off curb side at PHX Sky Harbor.

7 days in a year of actual physical contact.

M-kay... change subject NOW.

At 3:15 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

I only asked about the second long one as it was posted after everyone moved here. Wondering if I should repost it here, not that anyone need comment on it. Just that I didn't want to have got the cramps in my fingers for nothing. Humor my nacissist side. ;)

At 3:15 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...


I was kidding of course.

Now, I don't anymore, but when I was a young Christian (stationed in Hawaii) we would rip Waikiki up fall asleep plastered on Ft Derussy beach and then get grab a shower and go to the Barbers Pt Chapel smelling like a brewery.

I'm always wondering how many I may have turned away from the faith back then. Wasn't a very good example.

At 3:16 PM, Blogger McGehee said...

On a sad note: Cal down 0-7 against Tennessee in the 1st. Grr. GO BEARS!

One state's sad note is another's Happy Happy Joy Joy.

'Cause, well, my wife's from Tennessee. And although I grew up in yon Fugue State over there beneath Oregon, I didn't go to Cal.

Hmmm. My wife didn't go to UT either.

I think I've been snookered.

At 3:16 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

(OK, if we're going to reference posts at the end of the last thread)

The fact that BOTH the old and new testaments declare homosexuality a sin (and such was taught and understood in the ancient Jewish church of Christ's time), makes it a little more difficult to disregard.

Same as the old "man and women and the two shall become one". It's mentioned once (by God) in the OT and once (by Christ) in the NT. And it's pretty specific.

One man.
One woman.

That's it. Not one man - three women, not one kangaroo and one hippo, not one man and one OTHER man or even just two women becoming one.

One man.
One woman.

I think there are enough "vague" things in the Bible that can be argued about, but marriage simply isn't one of them.

At 3:17 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

My view is this. As long as you do the best you can and cause no harm to anyone, you should be OK in the after-life. I have a problem thinking that when you die, you are unable to meet the big guy, see that you were actually wrong in your beliefs, and not be able to say "Oh crap...I was really wrong...I am really sorry" and not be forgiven. No one really and trully knows which is the right thing to do until then. After all, just because you think you are right, doesn't mean you are. Everyone thinks that their way is the right and best way. Only one person/thing knows for sure.

Bide thee now, the rule of three, what thou gives comes back to thee.

An ye harm none, do what ye will.

Are you Wiccan, Hose?


At 3:19 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...


SFC = Sergeant First Class Pixie, so technically he would have been the Platoon Sergeant not the PLT LDR. But, if he is a promotable SFC meaning he's fixing to make Master Sergeant....

Then he's screwed like me. He's probably going to be a 1ST Sergeant next though and then he'll get a company.

At 3:21 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

Hosedragger brings up an issue that really is at the core of my religious/spiritual beliefs. Above all else, I believe in a merciful and forgiving God. I believe that if you are trully sorry/remorseful and ask for forgiveness it will be granted. I had twelve years of Catholic school to add all sorts of confusion to the rest of it though.

I do have beliefs about what is "right" and "wrong" and try to live my life accordingly. When it comes to other people's actions, I try not to judge (I'm human though and don't always succeed). I lived in the deep south for an extended period of time and had a difficult time being surrounded by huge numbers of hard-core Southern Baptists who were more than willing to cast stones at others. I was also amused by how many of them were absolutely convinced I'm going to hell someday because of my papist ways (especially since calling me a "lapsed" Catholic would be generous).

At 3:23 PM, Blogger Sinner said...

True Catholic story...

My father-in-law was (I think) the only teetotaler in the (very large) parish, when the jobs we all handed out for events, he would always get "volunteered" to be in charge of the beer tent because he wouldn't drink away the profits.

With him running it, the parish never had such prosperity...

At 3:23 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Last pic I recieved had the emblem in the center of the chevron, so yeah... I guess he's Master Sgt. now.

You know - the hardest part of being a milspouse (I'm not, but i am) is NOT being able to wrap my head around all the ranks, rates, etc.

I swear - I have downloaded everything I can possibly study and I still don't get it. 1AD, Baumholder - I have NO FRG, I'm exiled here.


At 3:23 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Oh, and he doesn't exactly have time to educate me right now.

At 3:24 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

hawksp- did you ever go to one of the services held on the Ft Derussy beach instead of at Barber's point? We went to one once while there on a family vacation and it was great. How often do you get to go attend a mass with a sunset over the beach during the service?! I don't know if they still hold them, but it was great.

At 3:26 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

I wholeheartedly agree.

If I didn't believe that God was a loving, forgiving God, I would join the Democratic party (just kidding!!!!)

However, I ALSO want a JUST God. A God that is interested in justice - in righting wrongs.

A touchy-feely god who allows everyone into heaven "no matter what" is NOT a just God.

A tyrant god who denies forgiveness is, also, NOT a just God.

Fortunately, our God IS just (and loving and forgiving).

At 3:27 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

No pixie my lady, if he's got an emblem in the center of his rocker and chevrons, he is either a 1ST SGT or Sergeant Major.

Diamond = 1ST SGT
Star = Sergeant Major

Hi Sinner, long time.

At 3:27 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

seriously. RZ. all i've been saying for about the last 80 posts or so is that most people here really don't care about this, so let's take it offline.

can you do that?

just asking.

At 3:28 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


Welcome back.

At 3:28 PM, Blogger Pixie said...


At 3:30 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

No Mari,

I "always" went to BPNAS because there was a pretty teenage dependant that attended the young group meetings and it wasn't Sunday if I didn't get a chance to see her. I'm sure being an Army guy on a Navy Base and my Coors cologne was the reason I never got a date.

At 3:30 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Ahh...but fortunately the Bible also defines adultery as a woman cheating on a man. Men are allowed concubines. If only that would catch on.

hee hee hee.

Again, that is only one belief, and belief structures are as varied as the people to have them. Forcing one's belief structure on someone else has never been a good idea, and in fact has led to the very problems in the world we have now. Morality is an individuals issue. There are guidelines given, but ultimately it is the individual and their personal experiences that guides them to the choices they make.

I actually think there is a genetic issue to homosexuality. However, I also don't think it should be taught, given any special status, and also believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

The argument given for Same Sex Marriage is that 50% of marriages end in divorce. Well that number directly corresponds to the secularization of marriages and weddings. historically, weddings and marriages have been religious. As such, divorces were few and far between and a bitch to obtain, even in abusive cases. As the secularization of marriages became abundant and easy, it did become nothing more than a piece of paper, and thusly divorce was cheap and easy. With all that came the disposable marriage and the thought process that "What the hell, if it doesn't work out, I'll just give her half and move on". Therefore, the same-sex marriage issue is a natural progression of the secular movement.

I still believe in the sanctity of marriage for the traditional reasons you get married. Regardless of what religion you are married in. While I did get divorced once after 9 months of marriage, it was due to fraud on her part and her being a Meth user and a person I had to put on a 72 hour where she was declared paranoid, schizophrenic and delusional. Let's just say those months are months I would never wish to live through again, nor wish on anyone.

Did I make my point? I think I got lost.

Anyway, the argument they use fails miserably, and since the average homosexual relationship lasts no longer than 30 months, it will only lead to further divorces, strains on the legal system and broken families, not to strengthen the institution of marriage.

Marriage needs to be brought back to the church, and not done in a court house or a drive-thru by a guy in a bad Elvis costume. It needs to be used to strengthen the family and promote harmony and peace between the sexes, and not for health benefits and legal reasons and tax breaks, which is, after-all, the reasons they are giving to get married.

At 3:30 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

rz- I didn't say "no matter what". I believe there has to be true repentence. I just don't believe in a punative God.

At 3:31 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


Making an appearance! Did you get your telecom stuff set up yet?

At 3:31 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Celtic Pagan/Catholic mix Pix

At 3:31 PM, Blogger Sinner said...

I feel the love!

It feels warm and wet, just like I pee-ed in my pants... Oh, wait...

At 3:32 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

That would make him a 1st Sgt. then. Thank you for clarifying it - I still don't know what it means... ha.

I could ask my dad but he'll call me evil names like "libertarian"... ha ha ha ha.

I could ask my brother, Kevin, but he's over there too.

I could ask Eric, but he's too busy birthing babies at Hickam...

So tell, me Hawk....

At 3:32 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

She looked like Marcia Brady.

sniff, sniff

Talk amougst yourselves

At 3:32 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

I'm sure being an Army guy on a Navy Base and my Coors cologne was the reason I never got a date.


H E A T H E N ! ! !

It's Miller or nothing.

(...said the Mormon kid who gets grief for bringing Pepsi to family gatherings)

At 3:33 PM, Blogger Sinner said...

Joe, nope... having a coffee AGAIN Getting a bit jittery from the half-caf-part-skin-whatt-the-hell-am-I-saying...

At 3:33 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

Sounds like he's the HHC Brigade 1ST Sergeant. That's per...ity darned important. You should be proud.

At 3:34 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

If you no longer wish to converse on this subject, that's fine. But if that is so, why are you discussing the same general issue with hawk?

And, it DOES appear that people around here ARE interested in a discussion about religion.

However, if you would like me to discontinue addressing you in these "online" discussions, then I will abide by your wishes.

At 3:34 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

Interesting explanation hawksp :)

Unless I've gotten really confused, that was also pretty far for you to go (based on what "far" would be on Oahu). My SIL was stationed there recently and I'm trying to remember the locations of the various installations. Either I'm not remembering where Barber's Point is correctly in relation to Army areas, or you really were willing to travel to see the pretty girl.

At 3:36 PM, Blogger Sinner said...


I am not around much, but while there is no DEBNEWZ, religion is one of my personal favorite topics.

At 3:36 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

I love being able to say this...

Sinner's got a new thread up.

At 3:37 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

No Sulla,

Think about a different drink for a while.

Miller is very bad. See Michelle Malkin.

Miller is sponsoring a protest at Rep Hasterts office over illegal aliens.

Bad Beer, Bad!

At 3:37 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

Ahh...but fortunately the Bible also defines adultery as a woman cheating on a man. Men are allowed concubines. If only that would catch on.

While there are many male characters in the Bible that have concubines, nowhere is such behavior condoned or stated as God's will.

We have to understand that there is a world of difference between what God "allows" and what He "condones" (or what is His will).

Free Will means that God has to allow us to choose, even if that means making the wrong/bad choice.

God ALLOWS this, but He doesn't necessarily APPROVE of it.

At 3:39 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


I'll have the half-cap double-decaf triple latte with a twist of lemon. Oh, and a biscotti, because I love sweet stale bread.

At 3:39 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

"bad beer bad" is not a phrase I would have expected hawk to write. What would the guys in your unit think if they knew?

At 3:39 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

You know...the problem with having discussions purely in writing, is that you lose the expressions on faces, and many times jokes and irony are lost and peole take things the wrong way. Take my concubine comment. I haven't read responses to it, but can almost guarantee, the humor that was intended didn't get through to someone, just like the Mormon/JW at the door comment.

That's what I miss about talking face to face. I can guarantee if these discussions were held in a pub, there would be nothing but smiles and laughter and nobody getting bent out of shape or misunderstanding the nuances or humor

At 3:40 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

rz- I didn't say "no matter what"

And just to be clear, I never meant to infer that you did.

My posts have a habit of going from a specific point to a general consideration of it.

I apologize for any misunderstanding.

At 3:40 PM, Blogger OttavaRima said...

RZ: can you point out to me where i've said i'm not interested in discussing this?

i've invited you to discuss this offline . .. um ... i think three times now.

it's off topic. that's why i think people really aren't interested in it.

totally off topic.

i don't want to highjack threads over religious conversations anymore than i want to highjack them over my dog's possible bone cancer.

are you daft, dear?

At 3:40 PM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Libertarian = A gun nut who wants to legalize narcotics.

At 3:41 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

I love discussing religions. All of them. Partly because it helps give insight into the people who believe them. I work with a lot of folks from India, and the exposure to Hindu and Sikh beliefs is great. The agnostic/atheist folks as well.

"Wherever there is truth to be found, I'm all over it like a fat kid on cake." I think Moses said that. Or something.

I do believe in absolute truth, and in the divine compatibility of justice and mercy. But I also know that I'm not privy to more of either than I can handle at any given moment, and that my current level ain't that much.

At 3:42 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

I KNEW IT! Celtic Pagan/Catholic mix Pix Me toooo! Enjoying UU.

I actually think there is a genetic issue to homosexuality. However, I also don't think it should be taught, given any special status, and also believe that marriage is between a man and a woman.

My best friend in all the world sent me href=""> this. I, being how I am, couldn't go further than "how do they know the sheep are gay? M-kay?

At 3:42 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

No Mari,

I was stationed on BPNAS!

I was in the 147TH Aviation Company, 25TH Aviation Battalion 76-81 (1st duty assignment 18 years old, bap ba)as a mechanic and crwe chief. At the time, Wheeler Field didn't have room for CH47 Chinook helicopters, so we were located at Barbers.

Hooks are at Wheeler now.

At 3:43 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

Don't worry I got the humor in your "concubine" comment.

It just wasn't funny.

(In his best Foghorn Leghorn voice)
That's a joke, son. You're supposed laugh.
Eh - what's WITH kids these days?

(In other words, yes it was funny - I got a chuckle out of it. Although, personally, I think any man that has multiple wives/girlfriends gets what he deserves (I have enough problems keeping ONE woman happy))

At 3:45 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Sounds like he's the HHC Brigade 1ST Sergeant. That's per...ity darned important. You should be proud.

I AM proud, because he is the most exemplary human being I have ever known. He is the greatest man I have ever known. He puts up with me: there ya have it.

At 3:46 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

It seems we are having a "failure to communicate"

Which, of course, is not being helped by comments like "are you daft, dear?"

I would be more than happy to have an offline conversation with you.

In the meantime, though, I will continue my current conversations with the others.

Fair enough?

At 3:47 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


Actually, I found the humor in your Mormon-at-the-door reference, and tried to respond in kind.

Guess I needed more smileys. Sorry. And when I say things like "that's humor. I recognize that," I sound like that dork Lt. from Good Morning, Vietnam.

You are right though - this medium is notorious for not conveying the nonverbal cues that make up so much of effective communication. :) s are no substitute for tone of voice, a smile that reaches the eyes, etc.

But you're cracking me up over here.

And Hawk - sorry. I was trying to brew up a beer holy war. Me being a nondrinker, I don't have a pony in the race. I was just being evil.

At 3:51 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

There is a disturbance in the force. Could be way too much talk about religion.

A joke.

John Kelly walks into a bar and sits down for a drink.

The bartender looks at him and asks, “Why the long face”?

At 3:53 PM, Blogger Mariposa said...

Ahhh. I understand better now Hawk. My SIL is in the Army, but was stationed at Hickam and lived on the AMR. I should have known better than to assume where you would be!

At 3:54 PM, Blogger Religious Zealot said...

Ah HA!

I see that my username does NOT point to my email address!!

OK, my email address (for those who wish to have an offline conversation or those who simply want to complain!) is:

(Note the underline between the two words!)

At 3:54 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

To escape the disturbance in the force, head to the new Sinner-run thread.

And take your demon Coors with you. :)

At 4:05 PM, Blogger Pixie said...

Here's the deal with: Religion, Politics, Sex.

They are all PERSONAL - very personal.

That means they are unique parts of every person. I am hetero. I may be a little more over the top in my sexual practices than others, I may be a little more conservative.

I've already proven I dont have a damned label politically - I know and stand up for what I believe in; what I understand - If I don't get it, if I don't think I can "prove" or back up my opinion, I remain silent and absorb... and digest and form an opinion. No one is right. Everyone is right. Until I can prove otherwise.

It is MINE.

No one wants to hear my personal tales of woe.


Here is my .78 cents (just went up with with the gas prices):

"Do not throw your pearls before swine" (if I might quote scripture).

And, "For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known."

And I don't remember where I was going with this - just my two favorite Biblical lessons that I try to practice daily.

And remember: much is lost in the written word. This was a hard, hard lesson for me.

Oh Christ on a biscuit - I AM a hippie.

damn it all.

At 4:19 PM, Blogger Sulla said...


Yeah, but you're a good-hearted hippie.



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