Wednesday, August 30, 2006

Nevermind(er)

Dr. Deborah Frisch's latest post includes this encounter:
Yesterday, she joined the chorus of friends and family members suggesting that I am loco in the coco and should seek psychiatric counsel and/or medication. I gave her my standard reply - I'm opposed to synthetic psychoactive drugs.

Then she went and tried to get Bayesian on me. She argued that the fact that I believed I was not crazy was evidence that I was crazy! Now of course, in general, this is a crazy argument. If you, dear reader, believe you are not crazy, should that count as evidence that you are crazy? Probably not.

But if I really, truly think I am fine when friends, family and foes all think i m nutz....maybe that is a symptom of loconess in the coco. When Harvard psychologist and happiness expert Dan Gilbert dinged me on the jdm list, I wrote a snarky post about him (that has since been edited) and he sent me an email saying something very terse like "You're crazy." There are other signs as well, such as multiple pending litiginous matters vis-a-vis verbal aggression, lack of employment, etc.

If someone calls me a drunk when I take a sip of my weekly quota of one Bud Lite, and I deny it, my denial is not itself proof that I'm an alcoholic.

If Andy and Barney have cut me my own keys to the Mayberry dry-out tank, where I keep my office supplies, and someone calls me an alcoholic, and I deny it...

Perhaps it's the optimist in me. I see posts like this from Dr. Deborah Frisch as a positive development.

This Mr. Bayesian is one smart cookie.

68 Comments:

At 12:29 PM, Blogger tim said...

first?

teh yay!

:)

 
At 12:29 PM, Blogger Dianna said...

You know, we're being over-optimistic. She's seemed on the verge of realizing she is in very deep...deepness any number of times.

Then it's vodkathirty, and oh, who the hell cares? time.

 
At 12:29 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...

Ah, gotta love third person objective verification.

I'M CRAZY! NO! YOU'RE CRAZY!

 
At 12:31 PM, Blogger tim said...

Yeah~

teh deb, like teh compulsive gambler, will keep playing teh game.

 
At 12:36 PM, Blogger tim said...

Oh.my.dawg!

In the 3rd paragraph of that post, there's an audio-file of teh deb speaking (on NPR?). See link:
"I was afraid to fly after 9/11"

(Is there any way to capture this mp3 file, and bring it over to DHD? And, even bettah: can we find a way to do to teh deb mp3 the same thing Robin Williams did to Nixon in "Good Morning, Vietnam!"? ;))

Is this just news to moi? Has everyone else heard her voice before? Why am I alwayz the last to know!

p.s. teh!™

 
At 12:43 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...

Tim:

Just heard it. She sounds like a middle-aged white lesbian prof to me. No surprise there.

 
At 12:44 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

In the wake of the July 4 weekend, when Fox News approached her for an interview, she sent him a link to this audio clip as a sort of audition tape.

Is there an audio mixologist in the house?

 
At 12:48 PM, Blogger openacanatuna said...

Ya know - I always look forward to Frischmas Eve. Sort of a sense of anticipation - a sense that there are limitless possibilities in the world and anything is possible once vodka:30 hits on Frischmas Eve.

Merry Frischmas everyone!

openacanatuna

PS: I'm thinking of starting a line of Frischmas holiday cards - sort of like Kwanzaa.

 
At 12:49 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

Yeah, even as I posted this, I was well aware of Teh Cycle®.

Call it naive, call it optimistic, call it what you will. I hope she'll eventually connect the dots and accept the need for intervention.

she's not a fan of synthetic drugs -- I'm sure there's some natural alternative. My own pharmaceutical experience has been...unpleasant, which has made me ask a lot more questions than I did the first few disastrous times.

I self-medicate all the time. Until they find a workable ADHD drug, I'll stick to my tin-a-day Peguin Caffeinated Mints habit. With a six pack of diet Red Bull.

If anyone needs me, I'll be vibrating through solid matter.

 
At 12:50 PM, Blogger Blizzardlane said...

Where does the faint glimmer of self-realization come in Teh Cycle?

 
At 12:56 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...

Blizz:

The faint glimmer comes at that final moment of hesitation, then she silences the deafening cacophony with a final "EPHU LAWBAW!", and harries into the breach again.

 
At 1:08 PM, Blogger tim said...

sulla~~

I lubs teh Red Bull :)

 
At 1:09 PM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Remember, many of our best Frischmas holidays have started with 'I have to take it up a notch', which in Deb speak means to work on her book and quit all of us innertube denizens.

She wishes she knew how to quit us.

 
At 1:12 PM, Blogger Dianna said...

Brenda

That was unkind. Now all I can think of is:

I can't quit you, baby,
So I guess I'll just put you down for a while...

Usually, I only think of that when I'm trying to quit smoking. Which hasn't worked yet.

Not that there's an analogy to Deb there anywhere, oh, no!

 
At 1:15 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

If I asserted that teh Deb was actually a transgendered male, with no facts to support my claim expect for my uncanny intuition, would that be actionable?

Denny?

 
At 1:16 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

except,

(and I don't even drink at work)

 
At 1:18 PM, Blogger Texette said...

tim,
I lub teh Monster Lo-Carb. I buy a case a week, when I'm in the right town. Today, I'm drinking teh Diet Red Bull, which I don't lub so much, because the nearest Sam's only carries that, and I hate to pay retail.

 
At 1:26 PM, Blogger tim said...

3 energy-bev achievers, tehn:

texette
sulla
~tim~

p.s. teh!™

 
At 1:28 PM, Blogger tim said...

speaking of caffeine and teh; didja know...?

"teh" means "tea" in Malaysian
:)

 
At 1:34 PM, Blogger Blizzardlane said...

I'm no lawyer but I know a few things about media law. Such a statement could be actionable under privacy or libel statutes in some very limited situations. In fact, assuming it was true, she'd have a better case for invasion of privacy than for libel; there's nothing WRONG with being a transgendered person. It's not like you called her, say, a PEDOPHILE.

 
At 1:35 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Texette
A test you are conducting?

 
At 1:39 PM, Blogger Hawksp said...

blizz,

That's what I thought.

Thanks

PS Do you think it matters that it was in the frame of a question.

Por ejemplo, was she a PEDOPHILE?

 
At 1:40 PM, Blogger OregonMuse said...

Even a nutjob can have moments of lucidity, I suppose.

But Deb has had too much fun with letting "teh rage" dictate the course of her existence to stop now. The beast is loose and it's obvious that she's not all that interested in getting it back into its cage so that she can get on with making a normal life for herself.

It's kind of like the stage of alcoholism where the drunk looks at the bottle and thinks, "yeah, maybe I shouldn't drink so much" and then, bottoms up.

 
At 1:41 PM, Blogger Blizzardlane said...

Don't take my word for it. The only thing that's seared, SEARED, into my memory is this: Truth is an absolute defense to libel but it won't do you a damn bit of good in a privacy case.

Your mileage may vary. Licensed drivers only. Void where prohibited.

 
At 1:45 PM, Blogger Texette said...

Yoda,
No test I am conducting. Just cheap I am.

Strike that. I am so not cheap. Frugal. I'm frugal. About some things.

The Sam's in Fort Worth or the one in College Station both carry my Monster Lo-Carb. Either one is more than 100 miles away. I drive to the Fort Worth area to get my hair done every month, so I try to stock up then, or I'll pick some up in College Station when I'm visiting friends or shopping at the mall. The Sam's in Waco is closer, but doesn't have so many choices. When you live way out in the boonies, you have to plan ahead and be flexible. It's 20 miles in any direction from me to buy groceries in even a rural grocery store.

 
At 1:50 PM, Blogger Blizzardlane said...

Tex, I envy you. I keep trying to talk Mr. Lane into buying this square mile I found north of Alamogordo, New Mexico. Nothing but 640 acres of sand, lizards and stickery things; no humidity, no farkin' menacing tropical storms; no SoJersey Boyz gangbanging at the Giant parking lot.

 
At 1:53 PM, Blogger SBH said...

Did you see Fatwa's offer to score this production? Hop on over to his site and see his sugestions, they're brilliant --

"It would use the musical motif D-E-B, and be written in the Phrygian (aka "Phrischian") mode."

Maybe when he's done with this we can get him to finish that pesky, unfinished piece by Bach. We'd be famous!

Really, go to his site.

 
At 2:07 PM, Blogger Texette said...

Blizzard,

I used to make a regular run through Las Cruces, Alamagordo, and White Sands. I luv, luv, luv it out there.

(I got picked up by the MP's at White Sands one night when the only thing I was wearing was one of those sleevless athletic shirts with the big armholes and a picture of the Tasmanian Devil on the front. Still got the shirt. Fun times.)

Anyway, if you buy land out there be sure to have a lawyer to look at nothing else but water rights and resources. Check to see if you can dig a well without having to call Donald Trump.

 
At 2:13 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

texette
My sister lives in Bryan & I am in a FTW suburb

 
At 2:16 PM, Blogger Texette said...

Rabbit,
The world just seems smaller and smaller, until you actually have to get somewhere.

Texas rocks!

 
At 2:19 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Indeed

 
At 2:20 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

Yeah, I prefer Monster Low-Carb.

Or, when the sugar seems to be an extra incentive for 4am shifts, the full-strength Monster XXXL - the one that comes with a handle for ease of chugging.

After a few of those, I can thread sewing machines.

In motion.

 
At 2:23 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

texette
I wasn't talking about your shopping regimine. Maybe I'm reading the tea leaves in the posts over "there" a little too closely....
BTW, Yoda used to live in that fine town of Ft Worth. Am a proud Gradumate of TCU....which is not an Ivy League School Ms. Deb Frisch, PhD

 
At 2:24 PM, Blogger Blizzardlane said...

Oh, I'm not big on cisterns and water delivery; this place has rights in the Elephant Butte district, though just enough water for a small house, not farming 640 acrres.

It's fallen on deaf ears. We're going to look at Hawaii in two weeks. Humidity AND volcanoes.

Oh, I guess I should stop at Costco and see if they have lives for sale!

 
At 2:24 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Rabbit....your in Cowtown?

 
At 2:28 PM, Blogger tim said...

Texette said: "Texas rocks!"
Texas said: "Texette rocks!"
:)

 
At 2:30 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Yoda,
A suburb close to the airport.

 
At 2:36 PM, Blogger SBH said...

Costco -- I could buy a life that's as big as my mayonaise. Get it all at once!

 
At 2:38 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

It'd take the rest of your life to eat that king-sized Mayonnaise.

 
At 2:39 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

She's threantening to ban people in the comments again

 
At 2:41 PM, Blogger SBH said...

Ya know - I always look forward to Openacanatuna says, "Frischmas Eve. Sort of a sense of anticipation - a sense that there are limitless possibilities in the world and anything is possible once vodka:30 hits on Frischmas Eve.

Merry Frischmas everyone!"

I just thought that needed to be said again so I stole it and reposted. Is that legal?

Being able to catch the spirit of the holidays is a gift. I predict a lucrative side career with the greeting cards.

Cheers!

 
At 2:43 PM, Blogger SBH said...

What's a large life for if not eating mayo? Also, I have a very large household.

 
At 2:46 PM, Blogger openacanatuna said...

deb sez: But if I really, truly think I am fine when friends, family and foes all think i m nutz....

Deb, ignore them. They're not your friends. We're your friends and our advice is to have another drink.

 
At 2:46 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

The pets out number the people in this house.

 
At 3:10 PM, Blogger Barney Coppersmith said...

That Chell is certainly an interesting twist - is she the real deal?

 
At 3:14 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

If you go to her websit, you'll see she's as flaky as ... well, just go see it.

 
At 3:22 PM, Blogger Ducky said...

May I suggest that the spelling of Frischmas be revised:

Frisch-mess

Ducky

 
At 3:25 PM, Blogger Troy McClure said...

Chell is actually an OK person - She'll slap back if you smack her. She likes Deb's poems and is from Northern California.

I like Andrew Dice Clay's poems and I'm from Texas.


Responses to “Teeter Totter”
7) Chell Said:
August 30th, 2006 at 2:40 pm
Yah, I saw what she posted, the “Jon Benet” comment, and what she allegedly posted, the “Auntie Moonbat kiss” comment (that one was revolting). However, and my opinion on this means nothing because I’m not involved, I didn’t see a threat. Just a statement that she wouldn’t care. And until the second remark is proven to be hers, well, you know. IMO it’s best to just stay out of it. Is that how you came across her site too? ‘Cause that’s how I found it. She does have some great, unrelated posts.

Um, Trading Spouses? Anything like Wife Swap? LOL! I’m petrified of being in the public eye, firstly, and secondly, I’d become known as the “from Mars” of the two wives. Now why would you ask that?

6) Deam Wormer Said:
August 30th, 2006 at 2:31 pm
You might want to find out what she did- it’s pretty disturbing.

I’ve followed the whole incident (never posted on her site - so I’m not part of the “mob” you describe) and it’s pretty sad how someone would throw their life away like she has.

Well at least it now appears to me that she is realizing she has psych problems and may even go get help.

The “mob” cannot be generalized - some actually would like to see her get help while others…

Well you have a great day!

DW

P.S. Have you ever thought of going on that TV show trading spouses?

5) Chell Said:
August 30th, 2006 at 2:23 pm
Hi DW! No, I don’t feel sorry for Deb. She’s a big girl. We don’t know each other or have any ties. I first posted there because I appreciated some poetry or a political view, can’t remember which, that she’d posted. For some reason someone from the “mob” attacking her saw fit to start personally attacking me. Which doesn’t matter so much unless they start posting garbage on my blog. It’s a combination of frustrating and amusing to see so many people practically living to, for lack of a better word, harrass one woman. I’m sure whatever she’s done will be handled between her and the other person, without the witch hunt. Anyway, thanks for asking.

4) Deam Wormer Said:
August 30th, 2006 at 2:08 pm
What’s up with you and that Deb Frisch person? Do you feel sorry for her?

 
At 3:30 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

Sinner,

Thanks for the kind words!

No need to worry - this is YOUR house. We're just keeping the light on for ya. :)

 
At 3:36 PM, Blogger Texette said...

Took a bath. Feel better.

Yoda,
Sorry for being so slow. Inquiring minds just want to know.
TCU, huh. When I was a senior in high school, this good-looking hunk of a man tried to recruit me for TCU. I never heard a word he said. I just kept lookin' at him.

Sulla,
I'd pay money to see that.

Tim,
You're a gentleman and a scholar of the teh!

Blizzard,
I luv Elephant Butte. I fell off a cliff face there. Good times.
The islands are expensive, and the politics are strange. But some of the views are to die for.

 
At 3:59 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Texette,
When I look at Deb's sitemeter, there's a whole lot of Texans that watch her craZee show. I don't know how many read this site or comment here.

 
At 4:03 PM, Blogger Texette said...

rabbit,
Maybe we ought to start the DHB-VBS Lone Star Caucus.

 
At 4:07 PM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Sounds good to me. I'll bring the Deviled, I mean "Debiled" eggs for the after party.

 
At 4:11 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Texette,
Nice to know women make career choices the same way men do.
Yoda is very interested in the tea leaves and hope they yield a report from your rapier like mind.

If you want Yoda to write this request in Yoda speak I will gladly do so.

 
At 4:32 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Thunk, thunk

Is this thing turned on?

Fred, am I missing the pre game meal and film session?

 
At 4:43 PM, Blogger Fred the Genius said...

Just logged on, Master Yoda. I think all the pacific guys are out lookin' for dinner.

 
At 4:55 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

A quick hit.

I think Weird Al Yankovic has a strong contender for an official DHD theme song (right-click and save to download the MP3).

Not for US, of course... :)

 
At 5:03 PM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...

Sulla:

Weird Al Rocks! And his band is pretty good too!

 
At 5:10 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

This song is pretty good. It was intended for his next album ("Straight Outta Lynwood") and the original artist was behind him, but the record label quashed it.

So Al made it freely available online.

Trust me - it's almost uncanny how close he hits the mark with this one. Consider it Al's contribution to Frischmas Eve.

 
At 5:25 PM, Blogger John said...

I think the events to which this website are devoted deserve a Wikipedia entry. You all should document this for posterity.

I'm serious.

 
At 5:25 PM, Blogger Texette said...

Yoda,
Either way, a silver-tongued devil you are.

 
At 5:33 PM, Blogger Texette said...

rabbit,
I lub debiled aigs. Do you use horseradish?

By the way, if I'm in the middle of a nice talk and I seem to disappear, well, I guess I have. I have what's known as country dial-up service--the one that has a mind of its own. Sometimes it just needs a trip to Vegas.

No high-speed out here, nor a phone company that supports satellite.

I might as well be waving flags from the roof. By the time I've gotten a reply through, ya'll are two threads ahead of me.

 
At 5:35 PM, Blogger Ducky said...

Weird Al - strangely Sinner-gystic. So to speak.

 
At 5:39 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

Texette,

You might check to see if your area supports EVDO (offered by Verizon, Sprint). If so, you can get always-on "cellular broadband" in places that cable, dsl, and satellite may never reach.

The sprint option is something like $60 a month for unlimited access. I've recommended it to several Road Warrior types whose laptops are their primary machine, and they love it.

 
At 5:39 PM, Blogger Yoda said...

Texette
Clever questions you have. And wide the retail Amazon flows. An abundance of retail shopping kowledge it will reveal...with dumpster diving requirements none.
So clever you mind miners are!

 
At 5:40 PM, Blogger Sulla said...

oh - new thread, when you're ready for it.

Also, the poetry thread's been kinda quiet today. (I've got one in work, but that pesky real life has kept me occupied.)

 
At 5:46 PM, Blogger Texette said...

Sulla,
Thanks! Shall check.

Yoda,
Tee-hee!

 
At 7:40 PM, Blogger McGehee said...

Tee-hee!

I hate to be a spellchecker, but shouldn't that be "Teh-heh"?

 

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