Friday, September 08, 2006

Ok, I get it...

It's RED, Gravatar sucks, there is some stupid bug not allowing comments...

FINE... BE that way...

Actually, yeah... there are issues and I am working on getting them fixed. The question is: "Is it worth it?"

Here are the goals:

1. Get better authoring software, which Wordpress in IMHO the best.
2. Leave this site to the Google Searchers for Dr. Deborah Frisch.
3. Leave Dr. Deb behind as a focus (she will always be a topic).

Here are the solutions:

1. Do nothing and stay here.
2. Move to blogsome
3. Move to a new blogspot
4. Get a Wordpress host and make the required mods


1. I hate the idea of staying here because it makes the original mission very difficult. I list it as an option only to make this statement.

2. The gerbil cage blogsome site is working, but has the above issues. Avatars being the hardest to fix. (Live comment preview can be done ala my home blog)

3. This would at least solve the avatar stuff, but we are stuck w/ the Google evil empire.

4. This cost $$$ and let me tell you, the ad revenue (pfft, he said "revenue") doesn't even come close to covering a hosting account. Also not a small amount of tech geekery would be required to make the changes to Wordpress.

If, say the ad revenue were to jump suddenly and I would hit the magic number that the ad hosting company needs to actually send real money, I would be very happy to divert that money to a hosting account. I would also be willing to give the tech geekery a go.

I am looking for guidance here folks, this is YOUR place and YOUR COMMUNITY. If a solution doesn't serve, then it doesn't get implemented.


At 6:05 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Why don't you get a free WP blog at It's already hosted and running, just needs customized to your liking. Or you could get relatively cheap hosting at DreamHost that comes with one free domain registration and a one click WP install (also one click bb install). No, that wasn't an affiliate link. Or you could install your own cms there. Just some friendly suggestions in support of interesting debate and my fav blog software and host.

At 6:27 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Go away CHELL

At 6:28 AM, Blogger SouthernFriedYankee said...

I agree with leaving DHD to poster-
ity and moving to a new blog...
suggestions on where to move it,
I'll leave to all the tech experts
on here. I do, however have a sug-
gestion for a name. The Gerbil Cage
is great, but I also would like to
add The Squeaky Wheel to the list,
you know like the squeaky wheel
get's the grease. That is, if it's
still open for suggestions.

At 6:53 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Rabbit, was there something in my post that you felt attacked you? Something you found personally offensive?

At 7:05 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

I just don't like you.
I can't stop you from commenting here, but I cringe everytime I see your name. Why don't you take you DEB-love back to your own site or south(pawthetic)west? If you bothered reading previous threads, you would see that your postings were laughed at.
So be a good little DEB-lover and go away.

At 7:14 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Well, first off, Rabbit, I don't care whether you like me or not, and if there's something funny in my posts, so be it. You've been trying awfully hard to get noticed by posting my name in caps and nasty comments, both here and there, and I was only curious about why. So basically you've confirmed that there is no reason. Ah, I can rest easy now. ;)

At 7:28 AM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Sinner -

Are any of the other blog hosts that much better than blogger?

I know beta.blogger is buggy, but...

I vote for staying with blogger but having a new blogspot.

At 7:28 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

Like your friend DEB-Bile, you don't seem to get it. There was nothing funny in your comments, your whole persona is what's funny. Like we laugh at her, we were laughing at you, CHELL. I put your name in caps because it is so typical of you.
We already have one witch, DEB-Bile, commenting here. That's why your presence isn't needed. So climb on your broomstick and go back to your "roost".

At 7:36 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Thank you for that wonderful display, Rabbit. As far as the original topic, I forgot to mention that some people offer codes that could ultimately get you a free year of hosting on DreamHost (see above post). Just check the forums there- I don't want to spam with aff. link here. Looks like there are some strong views on current events, politics, etc. here, and that makes for a great, if not fiery at times, forum.

At 7:42 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

You are welcome, now go away.

At 7:53 AM, Blogger BrendaK said...


You have been asked as politely as possible, given your mutual admiration affiliation with Special Deb, to go away.

How is this difficult for your to understand?

(Jeez, rabbit, some people just don't get it, do they?)

At 7:55 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

That's what makes them "special". LOL

At 7:56 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Brendak, I have no mutual anything with Deb, thanks. I have my own opinions. Sinner, would you like me to leave? Say the word and I will not post here again. No worries.

At 7:59 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

it puts teh lotion on it's skin...

At 8:01 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...


While you are here, please tell me why and how you can support someone who is so clearly racist, sexist, pedophiliac, dishonest, threatening, insane, anti-child, anti-family, anti-morals, and just all around an unpleasant and horrible person who would just as soon screw you over as welcome your support?

Please share with the class how you, as a female, can even think to support anyone who would consider a two year old as a target and fair game?

At 8:04 AM, Blogger BrendaK said...

Rabbit -

Ok, she's not going to go away since she has a need to be where she is unwanted and her opinions are poorly regarded, so let's just ignore her.

No free ice cream for the deb-in-waiting.

At 8:05 AM, Blogger BrendaK said...

rabbit -

or it get's the hose again...

At 8:07 AM, Blogger Tim said...

Sinner: Hosting is available from Total Choice for $44 a year, you can register a domain through them for $15. It's not lunch money, but I'm sure between all of the people here it'd be pretty possible to cover it.

At 8:08 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

I'm so glad I am with the VBS lynch mob/gerbils. A fine group of people to hang out with, couldn't wish for better!

At 8:09 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Hosedragger, thanks for at least asking. No, I don't support an attack of any sort, verbal or otherwise, on any child. I also don't support sexist, racist, anti-family, etc. views. It is possible to find common ground with *just about* anyone. I prefer to stay out of the initial blog fight, but there have been some very interesting unrelated thoughts expressed by quite a few people on her site and on this blog. Personally, I think the truth and the facts will settle the whole thing between JG and Deb, and whether I attack her or you or no one at all will not make any difference.

At 8:17 AM, Blogger SouthernFriedYankee said...

and whether I attack her or you or no one at all will not make any difference.

Uh Oh! Watch out Hose, she's threatening to not make a difference!

At 8:18 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

But yet you do support her. You support her everytime you are there lending her encouragement. There can be no common ground with such people. You obviously have no children. You obviously have not read everything she has said and done, you are encouraging a person who is all those thhings. There can be no common ground with someone like that. How can you possibly want to be friends or friendly to that? Would you be friends with a murderer and/or child molester? Well? Would you? This is a person who does not see or view a of God's most innocent and perfect creations, as something not human and a target. SOmething that can be attacked. This is someone who accuses all stay-at-home fathers as child molesters, of parents who try to instill a sense of spiriuality and morals in their children of child abuse. Someone who takes everything innocent and pure and thinks it evil.

How can you as a woman justify any of that without being he same type of person and hold the same beliefs yourslf?

At 8:20 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

The truth or the facts are clearly displayed here and elsewhere in her own words typed by her own hand are extend far beyond that 2 day period that she feels is the only issue and problem.

Why do you fail to see what the basic fundamental problem and issue she is and has?

At 8:20 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

And why won't blogger accept my new post on my blog? This is pissing me off, and I have been trying to post it since last night.

At 8:21 AM, Blogger Tim said...

I also have to take philosophical exception to something hose said a few threads down about Deb not thinking the cops are "the boss of her".

Frankly, I have to agree with the crazee ladee on this one. The cops are not, in fact, in charge of any citizen. In many cases cops are petty tyrants drunk on the power of holding a gun. In other cases they're perfectly fine people doing the best they can...but it's a profession like any other, and I see no reason to respect police more than anybody else simply because they're enforcing the capricious whim of the state. Keeping in mind, of course, that the state exists only because we, as citizens, allow it to. We have guaranteed protections from the state, and just because a cop tells you something is no reason you have to listen. Of course, if you're doing something illegal they might duly execute an arrest warrant or something, but there's no reason to comply simply because they have a badge and a gun.

At 8:24 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

Um...Tim...actually it is illegal not to follow what a police officer says. Unless they are operating in an illegal fashion and telling you to commit a crime, you are to follow all lawful request by said officer of the law.

And if you fail the attitude test, you are going to have a bad day.

When a police officer tells you to stop, you pretty much need to bide by it.

At 8:26 AM, Blogger BrendaK said...

In reviewing a potential relationship with a sociopath, one must ask the question: 'Do I WANT to find common ground with this irredeemable sociopath?'

The answer of decent, non-insane people is usually 'No.'

At 8:27 AM, Blogger Tim said...

If I'm exercising one of my constitutional rights and a cop tells me to stop (such as stop filming him making an arrest or something on a public street) I see no reason to comply.

I might have a bad day from failing the attitude test, as you say, but I refuse to cede any of my liberties simply because a guy in a uniform doesn't like me filming him.

At 8:28 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Hosedragger, I have three kids, one who just became an adult. :) I have actually "encouraged" Deb (she's not a child, and she acts on her own) not to post about the thing with JG. I have made comments on the things I liked on her blog, pictures and stuff. I do like nature, music, poetry, so there obviously is some common ground. I personally don't view the majority of fathers or mothers as child molesters. 8O I simply didn't get caught up in that particular conversation. In other words, idle chitchat, politics, news, geeky stuff (especially geeky stuff!), religion, entertainment... all good things IMO to discuss. The Deb/JG thing- not good at all. And personally attacking someone when it's possible to just have a spirited discussion instead is not my thing.

At 8:32 AM, Blogger Tim said...

I'm also not debating whether or not failing to comply with an officer is a crime, it is for the most part, but I do question whether it should be a crime or not.

I say, no, it shouldn't be, because it opens up too many doors for petty abuse of power. Obviously, there are shades of grey here: "stop, I'm placing you under arrest for X" is a perfectly reasonable order that should be follwed, "show me your ID because you're walking down the street late at night" isn't.

At 8:34 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Tim, the cops have every right to tell someone to stop doing something illegal. In this case, the cop's the "boss." But you're right, they can't generally go around stepping on a person's constitutional rights without cause.

At 8:38 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

But it is so far beyond the JG thing. That is what you fail to see. I personally was accused of murder or attempted murder by her three days ago. Others are attacked daily and she has even confessed to stalking and harrassing someone to the point they were scared enough by her to have her arrested.

And no, I do not understand being a parent and finding common ground with someone like that. I have a child that was molested. I know the pain and horror. John Wayne Gacy used to paint clowns...would you care to find common ground with him? How about Davis? He likes to draw and write poetry, yet he raped and murdered a little girl and left her in a ditch in Petaluma? Can you discuss poetry with him?

At 8:40 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

The cop issue I won't get into. I was a criminal justice major my freshman year, and I have family that are cops and come from a public safety background. It ain't gonna go anywhere.

At 8:44 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

The vileness and loathsome nature of this woman transcends her love of romantic walks on the beach and horrible attempts at poetry. She has not ceased her foulness or attacks on innocent shildren. She loathes or envies men and white people. She in a narcissist who is self-destructive and a textbook case of a classic sociopath. How can a woman let alone a parent wish to have any sort of one-on-one relationship with this type? How can you possibly justify encouraging her in anything other than self-admission into a mental institution?

At 8:49 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Hose, I would not be able to have a conversation with either of the two men you named. I would want to choke the life outa them. But with Deb, all I can go on is what I see. If I saw a conviction of something terrible, if I were stalked by her or something of that nature, you bet I'd come out swingin'. Speaking of stalking, one of the visitors to Deb's blog has started harassing me. lol! I laugh because it was totally uncalled for. Even wasted money on a prank call. And come to find out that person has a history of it! So yah, again, I can only go on what I experience or see for myself. Also, there's a difference between making conversation and making friends.

I'm very sorry about your child. We have a pedophile, fairly freshly released from prison, living two houses away now. WTF should my tax money buy this monster a home two doors away from *my* kids?! There is no room in this world for anyone who would harm a child.

At 9:02 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

"There is no room in this world for anyone who would harm a child. "

And yet you want to make conversation with Deb. You can only go on what you see, yet you can't see what she has done. This makes you a lost cause and unable to reason with.

You need to go back over to her site, as you will find no friendship here. You are justifying yourself and contradicting yourself at the same time. You can actually justify wishing to hold conversations wit someone who stalks and harrasses women to the point they are fearful enough to have her arrested. You can justify wanting to make conversation with someone who has repeatedly stated, as early as 5-6 days ago, that a 2 year old child and his mother, who had absolutely nothing to do with anything, is a target and can be attacked at anytime and in any fashion. You can justify making a conversation with someone who feels it is ok to threaten people who are involved with upholding laws such as judges that signed a piece of paper designed to protect that same child she feels is "fair game". You can justify making conversation with someone that has made repeated racist comments and uses the "N" word as easily as she would use any other word.

And you say that only when YOU are personally attacked will you do something. is that rationalization that gets people and children hurt.

By your own actions, you are encouraging her actions. You are telling her that she is correct in what she does and does not need to seek help. You are doing far more damage than any of us here are doing to her. You invite her to continue because after all, as long as she likes bad poetry and long walks through the forrest, she isn't wrong and can continue attacking children, women and humanity.

This is why you are a very sad case. This is why you will find no friends here. By proxy, you are just s bad.

At 9:16 AM, Blogger Chell said...

I'm not seeking new friendships at the moment. Just conversation. Friendships tend to happen on their own. Thanks for sharing your opinion of me. I will refrain from sharing my own about you. I have not seen where she says a child is fair game. Specifically, where does she state this? Yes, that's an honest, serious question, not meant as a snippy remark. If I were to run off in all directions, trying to verbally attack everyone that someone else whispered something bad about, I'd never rest, and I'd probably harm at least a few innocent people.

At 9:30 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

"At 11:13 PM, warriordumot said...
Goldstein has a, shall we say, inclusive sense of humor, so found the pun and picture funny. It was funny and clever.
okay. the point is that jeffrey todd goldstein accepted the monikor of count cockula knowingly and willingly.

therefore, any riffs off of that joke are also acceptable to mr. jeffrey todd goldstein. by laughing at and adopting count cockula, a joke about a children's cereal, mr. goldstein signaled that he was willing to merge his two lives (stay at home dad and blogger) and thus, all references to satchel are perfectly justified on account of how gleefully he adopted the sexualization of a children's cereal"

"At 11:35 PM, warriordumot said...
Warrior, leave Satchel out of the discussion. Children are off-limits all the time.

Sorry. I am being stalked by Jeff's peeps. You guys bring up my ex. Jeff embraced the count cockula thing.

satchel is more than fair game.

So...still feel like having a conversation with her?

And I could care less what someone who seeks conversations with the likes of Deborah Frisch thinks about me. I lead a moral life devoted to helping people at the risk of my own health and welfare. I am a devoted family man, who has never been in trouble with the law and hasn't had so much as a traffic ticket since I was 17. I am spiritual and have lead a very fulfilling life and have a career that I love and don't abuse.

There is nothing you can say that would affect me in anyway. Again, someone who believes as you do holds no bearing on me and I don't care what your opinion is.

Now you have been shown her comments of a week ago. Please justify once again how you would want to find common ground with this piece of human filth and how you wish to consider talking about the arts and poetry and such with her.

At 9:39 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Hose, I'm happy for you, that you are content in your life, and I certainly don't wish to have any effect on it. It's good to be secure with yourself. I also have a close-knit family, have not had problems with the law and am happy with my own spiritual beliefs and life. Great feelin', ain't it? :)

I did not see the "fair game" comment, maybe because I have tried so hard to stay out of the JG/Deb issue. Hmm..

At 10:01 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

The "Fair Game" comment has been stated, by her, many times on many different blogs including her own. There is nothing worse than people stating opinions and making comments on things that they know nothing about. Enjoy your conversations with this low-life. And enjoy knowing that you have so much in common with her and are actually seeking out common hobbies with someone that is all I have stated she is and much, much more. Hey, I'm sure you will be able to get her cell number and you can keep up the correspondance after the 25 or after November...if not sooner.

At 10:13 AM, Blogger Sinner said...

Now Now VBSers/Gerbils...

Chell is a guest here and in the spirit of inclusiveness we should not dismiss or harrass.

I don't ban, I don't delete.

I do welcome, I do debate.

I will give Chell some advice. If you are the least bit concerned for your words or views, I would suggest you exit gracefully. The VBSers are smart, literate and very very deadly. Dr. Deb likes to think she is a Word Warrior, but the worst of the VBSers is far (far) more deserving of the title.

At 10:15 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

How many other pedophiles and people that think children are targets and wish to do them harm's antics can you ignore so's to talk about their love of nature and poetry?

How about that molester down the street? Are you going to go over there and find common ground with him/her and ignore his/her crimes and potential and need to find children fair game?

Why is Frisch different?

Most felons are actually geniuses with high IQ's and great love of the arts. Can you ignore their crimes as well in the hopes of connecting on an intellectual basis?

And how can you justify ignoring crimes at all? how can you justify using children that way and try to absolve yourself by using ignorance as an excuse? People have told you time and again about it, so stating that you haven't been paying attention is just weak.

At 10:19 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

I have been treating Chell with respect and have not used profanity or anything of the sort. I have offered the advice of returning to the person she finds deserving of her praise, and pointed out how wrong she is to give such praise. Unlike Frisch, I have not provided false accusations, nor made statements that could not be verified. I will continue to treat Chell with the respect civilized people offer others until she no longer shows she is deserving of it like a former adjunct professor has done.

I, however, do not speak for anyone else.

At 10:19 AM, Blogger Sinner said...

The blogger bit is not really a "beta" thing, it is generally a "feature" thing.

Blogger does not track IPs of commenters (something very useful for dealing with Dr. Deb)

There is no logging ( I use sitemeter) no way to ban (which as we grow, I might be forced to consider at some future time).

I will admit that Blogger has gotten much better in the uptime department...

On the hosting solution, I have seen suitable hosts for around $30/year and $20/year for a domain name. There is that much in the AdSense account right now, but it takes $100 to trigger a payment.

I would be happy to divert that cash (from Jeff's tipjar) to cover this, but I need some clicks to get to payment-land.

At 10:25 AM, Blogger Sinner said...

Hose, I agree, you are the model of gracefulness... as weird as that is...

At 10:25 AM, Blogger Rabbit said...

I just got back from mowing the yard.
I see, Hosedragger ,that you are still CHELL-acking that Posterthing jr.
I know you are just talking to the deaf, but it is cracking me up.

At 10:26 AM, Blogger Chell said...

Sinner, thank you for being a gracious host. The first time you ask me to leave, I will, no hard feelings. See? How graceful is tha'at? ;)

Nothing like a good, friendly debate. I'm not concerned. No one's perfect, some people may be more intelligent than others, but views are views. I will not *generally* respond to posts that are solely an attack on my character, as it would waste time and space.

Sinner, if you do go with your own WP blog, not on the WP server, I can offer a few tips when you customize. WP is great for keeping content separate from presentation.

At 10:28 AM, Blogger Sinner said...

The wordpress server is pretty restrictive and the avatar issue is not going to be fixed if we go there.

Avatars are a dealbreaker for this community.

At 10:38 AM, Blogger Hosedragger said...

I have not attacked character. I have, however, questioned it as well as your judgement.

If you wish to retain a friendship with her, and ignore the truly sick mind that dwells within that thick skull of hers, that is your decision.

However, do not think you will be regarded very highly here, as it shows a distinct lack of moral fiber and character to ignore the things she has done towards an innocent child and 2 innocent women...and continues to do so even as we type here.

But again, it is your choice.

Now if you will excuse me, I will go to the next thread and rejoin my friends...all of whom respect women, children, and their fellow humans and don't need people to make excuses for them.

At 10:59 AM, Blogger Sulla said...


on the topic of whther to move,

I do like the new site, though the avatar issue is important enough to folks to avoid Gravatar. (I'm not a big fan of Bloger's avatar handling either.)

In spite of all the beta complaints, you are THE MAN, and we greatly appreciate your efforts to make a home for us.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have some ads to click on.

At 11:07 AM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


I think my brother suggested some other avatar hosting solutions on a previous thread. Other than that, just a few tweaks on blogsome will get us to a useable state.

Enabling the comment preview.
Solving the avatar issue.
And figuring out the issues involved with registration or logging in to post comments.

See, not too bad. [grin]

At 11:22 AM, Blogger Sinner said...

That avatar system is not suitable. It does not have a user lookup and image retrieval...

It is used for adding your avatar to your blog, not like we would like to use it here.

At 11:32 AM, Blogger Sulla said...


What about a more traditional "discussion board" format that could be an addition to, rather than a replacement of, a blog page?

The discussion boards I've seen seem to handle avatars pretty well (Abbeyweb and SJDM excepted).

pick the tool to fit the job, as it were. At the moment this site is more about starting new threads for discussion than for the content of the post itself (which will be more true as Frau Frisch's ultimate fate is put in the hands of the courts or conservators).

Just a thought.

At 11:45 AM, Blogger Fatwa Arbuckle said...

Sinner -

I finally got Blogsome confimation emails which were time-stamped about 05.45 EDT. (I'd been waiting for them since roughly 22.00 EDT last night.)

One of them worked and I was able to leave a comment.

I'd still personally prefer a new home within the current evil empire, but a Blogsome move is also okay with me (assuming some resolution to the other issues which fellow gerbils have raised)

One other point: Am I the only person who had a bit of a sticky wicket registering at Blogsome? (As this might possibly discourage other new and interesting gerbils.)

Not to denigrate "The Gerbil Cage", but I do rather like someone's suggestion of "The Squeaky Wheel" (sorry; can't remember who that was). Seems like an apt moniker for us.

My bottom line - The name and location are pretty-much immaterial to me (now that I got the Blogsome registration sorted-out); I simply like the folks here.

At 11:55 AM, Blogger joeschmo1of3 said...


My registration email was nigh instantaneous, so that was a bit odd.

At 12:32 PM, Blogger Petrarchan Motif said...

Sinner - quick post while I'm at work [shhh...just this once]
I just has a duh! moment. We change our avatars here in the comments by continuously changing the photo url of our blog profiles. If we sign up for blogs at blogsome, does the blogsome blogger profile include a photo url? Or is that one of the main limitations of blogsome, that it doesn't have a native support for avatars or photos at all and that's why they recommend third party Gravatars?

At 2:29 PM, Blogger Sinner said...

Avatars that I would implement would be a database with your email as a key and the only other field would be a link to a URL for the picture.

That way, you want to change your avatar, you change the URL or change the pic at the stored URL.

Pretty simple PHP script really.

At 4:17 PM, Blogger Petrarchan Motif said...

Sinner - good to know the parameters you're looking for in ease-of-use avatar-ish...ness...avatarishness? Yeah, avatarishness.
I'll do a little more research and see what's out there.


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