It appears he pulled the Sting Ray's barb out by himself. While I am sure it was a reflex action made with disbelief, I can also guarantee you had he not done that, we would be talking about him being in inensive care rather than a morgue
When someone has a penetrating injury, you are to leave it in place as best you can, and pad around it so that it does not move. The body will tend to close around the object, assisting in sealing off the damage and limiting the bleeding. This is done until the patient can get into the surgical theatre and the object removed surgically, clamping off damage as it goes. Removing the object tends to worsent the damage and removes this seal.
Also, the barb of a Sting Ray is jagged and serrated. The main damage does not come from the insertion, but rather the extraction where it tends to grab extra flesh, ripping and tearing as it goes.
Even if the barb went directly into the cardiac muscel, it had a chance to survive had it been left in.
however, if it hit the aorta, he would have been dead from bleeding out within a minute or less, regardless of if the barb was left in or not.
Ottava, In the case of a puncture wound, if the foreign object remains in the body, the body will close around the foreign object, reducing blood loss. In the case of a barbed object, such as a sting ray's barb, removing the object can cause more tissue damage than the initial penetration. If the barb had been left in place, paramedics may have been able to provide sufficient support to affect transfer to a facility where surgeons could close the hole in his heart. This assumes that the barb entered in a fairly straight pathway and did not cause excessive damage when it separated from the sting ray's tale.
I think ol Dr. Frischenstein thinks she is being cute and that we all don't know she is back. I also think she may now have that handler she was wanting that is keeping her from raving away like the lunatic she is. It must be just eating her up inside. You know...pressure behind the damn. When it blows, look out...it will blow big time. She ain't gonna come around with a pleasant hello.
Interesting discussion of the stingray injury. I have removed the stinger from a dead ray I was using for a fish-print project and had to cut it off with wire nips. It didn't come off like a bee stinger would. I suspect the barb broke off in Irwin's chest.
It sounds like he received an instant dose of the toxin, causing cardiac arrest, although I was under the impression that they don't all have toxin.
I had a friend who stepped on a sting ray in the Gulf of Mexico and ended up fighting an infection caused by the bacteria present on the barb. It resembled a TB type bacteria, they said. That took over a year to clear up! Another friend stepped on one in Baja and got spiked in the ankle. It was painful but did not lead to toxin or infection.
O'muse (that would be the muse with the O - or multiple O's if we use his full nym - I don't care who ya are; that's funny right there - right Deb?),
Teh Casa Cra zee ® is lookin' mighty empty right about now. One single post. It's quiet - too quiet. Increase the frequency of perimeter patrols. Send out the recon units. Top off your magazines and canteens. It could get ugly. What am I saying? It's been ugly for weeks!
Well, it seems some little troll...my money is on the psycho bitch herself, taking posts from here and changing order, context and adding and deleting words in a sophomoric attempt to make it look as if Brenda and I are having some kind of ln-line thing.
Too funny. I guess she is just jealous that no one would come near her with a ten foot pole with dog shit on the end let alone attempt to have a relationship with her. Go look under the dog of hers that committed suicide rather than live one more minute with that psychopath who attacked it nightly with peanut butter
I guess she wants to add a lawsuit for slander to her repretoir which will be forthcoming should she leave that up on her site. This is the only warning she will get.
I dunno Hawk, what with all that "Love for your country" and "Protecting us from the evils of Islam" and all.
I hear you and all of your buddies are just dupes. After all, if you can't trust a libelous lying cowardly piece of filth with a Pee Aich Deee...just what is this world coming to?
You think I should trust a MAN serving our country selflessly over someone who should be committed to a psych ward and all those that su[[ort her made to walk the streets of Baghdad with American Flags proclaiming their support for those poor, oppressed Sunnis and Ba'athists?
I'll just have to ask my girlfriend Brenda when she gets here. After all, if it wasn't for hat useless sack of shit stuffed into a failed academic bag, i would have never known she and I were an item.
Hey Pixie...I have shown you the same pictures, plus those of my kids. Does that mean you and I are together as well? Will you and Brenda have to duke it out in the parking lot? Or do I get to live the man fream of two women?
WTF? I mean, I know why she's po'd at you - you man who is also a father. I don't know what I finally did to irritate her so much, but yay! God knows I've been working at it. If only we weren't all so anonymous.
Well, Deb is Anonymous. The rest of us are just the voices that haunt her fevered sleep. Ewwww, Deb's fevered sleep. Yuck. Sorry.
Look at it this way -- in trying to be insulting and get a rise out of us (hahahaha, remember that lack of respect thing, Special Debee?) she classed us with AoSHQ by rewriting our comments like she does his commentary. That's a pretty high compliment.
**Note to Special Debee - if you really, really want to hurt my feelings you'll pick on my front lawn, what with the reseeding and all. And the exploding tree; WTF is up with THAT?! I'm very sensitive about gardening. Don't you mess with my gardening skills!
I'm a "Playa"? Man...I don't think I have ever been called that. Although I wouldn't mind being a Giggalo. After all, it is always a good thing to get paid for doing something you enjoy.
I just need to know if you two are flying here, or do I have to pay for two tickets to fly to two states. Seems to me it would be more economical if you guys came here. I know this great hotel....
So the posterthing is changing the content of the stuff, I know that she cut a comment from PW to make it say something quite different, but she's actually changing the word and attributing it to other people? DOes she not think the plaintiff or the state in these cases is going to check this stuff out?
She is just that stupid. She is unaware of libel laws and still doesn't seem to understand the way things word e.g. internet logs. She thinks that she is making people look bad. Sorry, but I won't be ashamed of Bren ever. However, when she outright lies in order to do damage like that, she is opening herself up to Brenda and I splitting the sale of her shack on the open market and all the rest of her property...if there is any left once Jeff and the other people suing her are done.
It is just amazing that anyone this stupid not only ecists on the planet, but that she actually taught at the college level. I said it before and I'll say it again, if breathing wasn't an involuntary reflex of the body and lower brain stem, she would just plain forget to do it.
Yep, she's cut-n-paste and 'adjusted' other people's comments from AoSHQ, PW and here -- she still just doesn't get all this electronic 'paper' trail stuff.
But, that's why I call her Special Deb - on the shortbus for life.
I have the definition up on my site...it explains it all.
Nothing we have said here is libelous. It is opinion. She has not been misquoted. All this site does is accurately repost the insane things she says. THAT is the difference.
OK...it is almost 0430 and I haven't been to bed yet. i am going to try and catch a few zzzzzz's before the Frischmas Eve festivities go into full swing. Someone make sure the mistletoe is hung. I'll see you guys later
I doubt Dr. Deb can be held responsible for stuff in her comments. God, I hope not or I have some serious issues with you guys...
Unless... she can be compelled to turn over the comment logs and the IP matches for those comments matches hers. LIke maybe because of her criminal trial or Jeff's lawsuit.
Hey Pixie...I have shown you the same pictures, plus those of my kids. Does that mean you and I are together as well? Will you and Brenda have to duke it out in the parking lot? Or do I get to live the man fream of two women?
Hosedragger Jeffs.
There ya go.
Put 'em up Brenda!
(*everyone knows I'm in love in Ottavarima. Sssshhhhh - don't tell Tony, he's over there defending that worm's freedom of splech*)
Buahahahahahahahaha.
ROFLMAO.
Gabalicious is sick - gonna crawl back in bed with her, she has the chills.
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BrendaK & BrendaK's Evil Twin -
That caused me to do a seriously injurious double-take.
And I think that's "actionable".
[Whistles tunelessly, oblivious to "firsties"]
Shlossed! I mean frisched! Erm First! Yeah, thash it!
Denny Crane!
oops. Sorry
That evil twin be defamatin' our BK
Faaaaabulous!
Uhm, I mean, Oh my.
Well, Thanksgiving is going to be an event this year.
I wonder if BrendaK's Evil Twin has some obvious physical difference from BrendaK.
Y'know, like an "evil twin beard", but, you know, something that's more the female equivalent...
Uh oh - gym class flashback; see ya'll shortly.
Thanksgiving! Ah, that happy time when the whole family can sit around the table and get stuffed!
paddy -
Then, to save time in the cleanup they can just chuck the dishes at each other!
...
What?
How does a newspaper account of an Irish social event begin?
Among the injured were...
So what happens now that Dwebbies's Amazon ad is now in the archives?
rabbit -
That did seem to be the base of her soon-to-be-realized innertube fortune, didn't it?
Bwahahahahahaha.
Rabbit -
I don't know, but I'm going to dump my Amazon stock before this becomes public knowledge.
Fatwa -
I dunno. That looked like a cross-dressing non-identical evil twin to me.
With evil blue hair.
With evil blue hair.
That could describe a couple of my aunts.
Flashback OVER!
Could she have possibly locked herself out of being able to post on her own blog?
Could she have possibly locked herself out of being able to post on her own blog?
Naw, 'cuz she done got one o' them pee aitch dees.
[GAWP!]
Damn...I post twice on the last thread before I saw that there was a new one.
Update on Steve Irwin:
It appears he pulled the Sting Ray's barb out by himself. While I am sure it was a reflex action made with disbelief, I can also guarantee you had he not done that, we would be talking about him being in inensive care rather than a morgue
Speaking of evil twins:
I don't think any of y'alls are qualified to speak of evil twins. [smirk]
Although, I don't know if I'M the evil twin, or my brother. Hee! [grin]
As a TRIPLET I'm not sure if you're qualified to comment on evil TWINS either.
Just sayin'
Barkeep! Three fingers for my friend over there - and his evil twin!
Check this out:
Deb Frisch Affair on Google
When someone has a penetrating injury, you are to leave it in place as best you can, and pad around it so that it does not move. The body will tend to close around the object, assisting in sealing off the damage and limiting the bleeding. This is done until the patient can get into the surgical theatre and the object removed surgically, clamping off damage as it goes. Removing the object tends to worsent the damage and removes this seal.
Also, the barb of a Sting Ray is jagged and serrated. The main damage does not come from the insertion, but rather the extraction where it tends to grab extra flesh, ripping and tearing as it goes.
Even if the barb went directly into the cardiac muscel, it had a chance to survive had it been left in.
however, if it hit the aorta, he would have been dead from bleeding out within a minute or less, regardless of if the barb was left in or not.
John:
Too funny
This is a picture of the type of barb that killed Steve Irwin. As you can see, a great deal of damage occurs when removing it from flesh.
Sorry, medic 24/7
OOOPS...Forgot the link
http://www.mote.org/clientuploads/sharks/Pictures/stingray_barb_web.jpg
Ottava,
In the case of a puncture wound, if the foreign object remains in the body, the body will close around the foreign object, reducing blood loss. In the case of a barbed object, such as a sting ray's barb, removing the object can cause more tissue damage than the initial penetration. If the barb had been left in place, paramedics may have been able to provide sufficient support to affect transfer to a facility where surgeons could close the hole in his heart. This assumes that the barb entered in a fairly straight pathway and did not cause excessive damage when it separated from the sting ray's tale.
OK, skip my previous post and just read Hose's.
Pddy, couldn't have said it better myself. ;)
tale s/b: tail
Another round for my fine friend draggin' his hose about the place. And his twin sittin' next to 'im.
That's no twin. That's my clone.
I think I will call him...
GARDEN HOSE
Muuuhahahahah
muuuuuuuhahahahahahaha
I think ol Dr. Frischenstein thinks she is being cute and that we all don't know she is back. I also think she may now have that handler she was wanting that is keeping her from raving away like the lunatic she is. It must be just eating her up inside. You know...pressure behind the damn. When it blows, look out...it will blow big time. She ain't gonna come around with a pleasant hello.
Night Otta
'Night Otta!
I'm off too. nothin much seems to be going on here. Wallace and Gromit "Curse of the Were Rabbit" in on on HBO HD. Gonna watch it. Night all
Hello?
Is this thing on?
Is anybody here?
Hi everyone,
Interesting discussion of the stingray injury. I have removed the stinger from a dead ray I was using for a fish-print project and had to cut it off with wire nips. It didn't come off like a bee stinger would. I suspect the barb broke off in Irwin's chest.
It sounds like he received an instant dose of the toxin, causing cardiac arrest, although I was under the impression that they don't all have toxin.
I had a friend who stepped on a sting ray in the Gulf of Mexico and ended up fighting an infection caused by the bacteria present on the barb. It resembled a TB type bacteria, they said. That took over a year to clear up! Another friend stepped on one in Baja and got spiked in the ankle. It was painful but did not lead to toxin or infection.
O'muse (that would be the muse with the O - or multiple O's if we use his full nym - I don't care who ya are; that's funny right there - right Deb?),
Teh Casa Cra zee ® is lookin' mighty empty right about now. One single post. It's quiet - too quiet. Increase the frequency of perimeter patrols. Send out the recon units. Top off your magazines and canteens. It could get ugly. What am I saying? It's been ugly for weeks!
The older posts appear to be back on the main page. It's still quiet over there.
I'm hoping it will stay quiet.
Me, I've been swamped at work. Sorry I haven't been online more today.
10pm and I'm still at work...
I need a vacation.
Well, it seems some little troll...my money is on the psycho bitch herself, taking posts from here and changing order, context and adding and deleting words in a sophomoric attempt to make it look as if Brenda and I are having some kind of ln-line thing.
Too funny. I guess she is just jealous that no one would come near her with a ten foot pole with dog shit on the end let alone attempt to have a relationship with her. Go look under the dog of hers that committed suicide rather than live one more minute with that psychopath who attacked it nightly with peanut butter
I guess she wants to add a lawsuit for slander to her repretoir which will be forthcoming should she leave that up on her site. This is the only warning she will get.
Or libel..which ever it is...either way, she is pushing the wrong guy.
Guten Nacht sweet Gerbils.
Happy Hump-day one and all.
Ok. I predicted we would have a big day of Frisch frying and it didn't happen.
I don't like to be wrong, but I can accept it and move on.
And I don't even have a PhD.!
I dunno Hawk, what with all that "Love for your country" and "Protecting us from the evils of Islam" and all.
I hear you and all of your buddies are just dupes. After all, if you can't trust a libelous lying cowardly piece of filth with a Pee Aich Deee...just what is this world coming to?
You think I should trust a MAN serving our country selflessly over someone who should be committed to a psych ward and all those that su[[ort her made to walk the streets of Baghdad with American Flags proclaiming their support for those poor, oppressed Sunnis and Ba'athists?
Sounds like a mole to me man.
I'll just have to ask my girlfriend Brenda when she gets here. After all, if it wasn't for hat useless sack of shit stuffed into a failed academic bag, i would have never known she and I were an item.
Thank God for her.
Hey Pixie...I have shown you the same pictures, plus those of my kids. Does that mean you and I are together as well? Will you and Brenda have to duke it out in the parking lot? Or do I get to live the man fream of two women?
It's morning on the East Coast! Hello!
hose -
WTF? I mean, I know why she's po'd at you - you man who is also a father. I don't know what I finally did to irritate her so much, but yay! God knows I've been working at it. If only we weren't all so anonymous.
Well, Deb is Anonymous. The rest of us are just the voices that haunt her fevered sleep. Ewwww, Deb's fevered sleep. Yuck. Sorry.
Look at it this way -- in trying to be insulting and get a rise out of us (hahahaha, remember that lack of respect thing, Special Debee?) she classed us with AoSHQ by rewriting our comments like she does his commentary. That's a pretty high compliment.
**Note to Special Debee - if you really, really want to hurt my feelings you'll pick on my front lawn, what with the reseeding and all. And the exploding tree; WTF is up with THAT?! I'm very sensitive about gardening. Don't you mess with my gardening skills!
Hose -
Wait just a minute -- You've been two-photoing me with pixie?!
First you entice us with spiffy pics of yourself in uniform and with your lovely dog, then you dash our hopes mercilessly.
You are such a player. My heart's broken now, renaissance-boy. Oh, woe is me!
Oh come on...we can all get along. Sunday's are the day of rest...and thre is plenty of Hose for all
Besides, I would never hurt a hot little Georgia Peach such as yourself
She's just jealous that noone would talk to her let alone try to pick her up
Good morning, blizzard - East Siiiiide!
And hey...what's a charge of "Libel" compared to all the other things she is fighting in court.
I personally like where she changed when I said "Time to get my fat butt to bed" over to me telling you to get your fat butt to bed.
L haven't even see what you look like let alone would I ever say that to a lady
hose -
You know what they say - everyday and twice on Sundays.
Still haven't been to sleep yet over here on the West Siiiieeeeed
Hey....as long as they keep making Viagra...
Hose -
My personal favorite where where she pulled out of whole-cloth that I have a small kitty. I am so not a cat person.
I'm a "Playa"? Man...I don't think I have ever been called that. Although I wouldn't mind being a Giggalo. After all, it is always a good thing to get paid for doing something you enjoy.
Not that there's anything wrong with cats!
Ummm...maybe small kitty meant something else...which again wouldn't be a bad thing.
Especially considering what her's...never mind.
I'm just sayin is all
Always good to enjoy your work, I say.
I just need to know if you two are flying here, or do I have to pay for two tickets to fly to two states. Seems to me it would be more economical if you guys came here. I know this great hotel....
Well, actually she said I have a small [other-name-for-kitty]. Same diff', right?
Oh, wait, this must be one of those double 'ententre' things she goes on about.
Now, that's sophisticated humor, that is.
Trust Teh Cycle. It is Frischmas eve and it is gearing up to be a good one. And Lord knows I am now loaded up with some good ammunition
She's probably pissed that she took her best friend...the only one that gets near her anymore...with her on her "trip" and the batteries dies in it.
So the posterthing is changing the content of the stuff, I know that she cut a comment from PW to make it say something quite different, but she's actually changing the word and attributing it to other people? DOes she not think the plaintiff or the state in these cases is going to check this stuff out?
hose -
Ok, ewwwwww. You win. That's pretty much the nastiest mental image of all.
Now,I must go scrub my brains.
Talk at ya later -- the workday beacons.
Truuuuuuust teh Cycle®. Ooooohhhmmmmm.
blizzard -
She can always blame it all on 'anonymous'.
hahahahahahahahaha.
She is just that stupid. She is unaware of libel laws and still doesn't seem to understand the way things word e.g. internet logs. She thinks that she is making people look bad. Sorry, but I won't be ashamed of Bren ever. However, when she outright lies in order to do damage like that, she is opening herself up to Brenda and I splitting the sale of her shack on the open market and all the rest of her property...if there is any left once Jeff and the other people suing her are done.
It is just amazing that anyone this stupid not only ecists on the planet, but that she actually taught at the college level. I said it before and I'll say it again, if breathing wasn't an involuntary reflex of the body and lower brain stem, she would just plain forget to do it.
blizzard -
Yep, she's cut-n-paste and 'adjusted' other people's comments from AoSHQ, PW and here -- she still just doesn't get all this electronic 'paper' trail stuff.
But, that's why I call her Special Deb - on the shortbus for life.
She must not think that sockpuppets can be traced. And even if it wasn't her, the fact that she published it on her site makes her liable
I have the definition up on my site...it explains it all.
Nothing we have said here is libelous. It is opinion. She has not been misquoted. All this site does is accurately repost the insane things she says. THAT is the difference.
OK...it is almost 0430 and I haven't been to bed yet. i am going to try and catch a few zzzzzz's before the Frischmas Eve festivities go into full swing. Someone make sure the mistletoe is hung. I'll see you guys later
Oh yeah, it's Frischmas Eve! I'm still groggy from the long holiday weekend.
Merry Frischmas Eve!
hawk -
Are you SURE she's carbon-based? 'Cause, if you can't prove that in a court of law you just might be liable.
That's actionable. All your base might belong to Deb.
Off to earn the daily kibbles-n-bits!
I doubt Dr. Deb can be held responsible for stuff in her comments. God, I hope not or I have some serious issues with you guys...
Unless... she can be compelled to turn over the comment logs and the IP matches for those comments matches hers. LIke maybe because of her criminal trial or Jeff's lawsuit.
Morning Thread started.
Hey Pixie...I have shown you the same pictures, plus those of my kids. Does that mean you and I are together as well? Will you and Brenda have to duke it out in the parking lot? Or do I get to live the man fream of two women?
Hosedragger Jeffs.
There ya go.
Put 'em up Brenda!
(*everyone knows I'm in love in Ottavarima. Sssshhhhh - don't tell Tony, he's over there defending that worm's freedom of splech*)
Buahahahahahahahaha.
ROFLMAO.
Gabalicious is sick - gonna crawl back in bed with her, she has the chills.
I'll check back in later sweet Gerbils
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